Alliant load data

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AJC1 said:
So be86 and sport pistol are the latest and greatest but no load data for unique or 2400 for lead in 38 or 357. In these times they are not exactly providing the best service by leaving out the popular options. It's not like they have tons of product on the shelf to choose from....
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Giving out free load data on the web is a relatively new thing. Most powder/bullet companies still sell printed manuals that give more info and is why thier online recipes, for the most part are quite basic. Buy one or two printed manuals and you won't have to come here and whine. I have several printed manuals and they are full of info for Unique and 2400 with lead. BTW, ain't the powder companies fault there's no powder on the shelves.

9mmepiphany said:
I don't have and have never had any Unique or 2400 in my loading room.
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For many calibers, those powders are not the most efficient. But for many they do an excellent job. Hard to believe anyone that has been reloading for more than a few years has never used Unique as it was pretty much a stand-by powder before all the newer modern powders came out. Yet, the nice thing about the variety out there now is that if we can use what trips our trigger, if we can find it. While I have little or no use for 2400 myself, I will never not have Unique on my bench.
 
buck460XVR said:
Giving out free load data on the web is a relatively new thing. Most powder/bullet companies still sell printed manuals that give more info and is why thier online recipes, for the most part are quite basic. Buy one or two printed manuals and you won't have to come here and whine. I have several printed manuals and they are full of info for Unique and 2400 with lead. BTW, ain't the powder companies fault there's no powder on the shelves.

For many calibers, those powders are not the most efficient. But for many they do an excellent job. Hard to believe anyone that has been reloading for more than a few years has never used Unique as it was pretty much a stand-by powder before all the newer modern powders came out. Yet, the nice thing about the variety out there now is that if we can use what trips our trigger, if we can find it. While I have little or no use for 2400 myself, I will never not have Unique on my bench.
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Welcome to the reloading section of this site. I have about 15 reloading manuals and have assisted more than a few with loads from my older manuals. Maybe if you could read a little better you might see that I never asked for load information, but only questioned why the older hugely popular powders were not listed. Feel free to to keep you negative comments to yourself champ.
 
AJC1 said:
Welcome to the reloading section of this site. I have about 15 reloading manuals and have assisted more than a few with loads from my older manuals. Maybe if you could read a little better you might see that I never asked for load information, but only questioned why the older hugely popular powders were not listed. Feel free to to keep you negative comments to yourself champ.
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Nuttin' negative in my comments, "champ", cause there's nuttin' incorrect about the you coming here to whine comment.
 
Go the the Alliant web page and select products and the click on 2400 or Unique. Just right of the product image there is blue wording that says "View all recipes" or words to that effect. Click on those words and your recipes will come up.
 
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Disclaimer: I understand this is almost a year old necro thread but much of questions asked are still pertinent today, especially during current shortage.

AJC1 said:
Alliant load data ... So be86 and sport pistol are the latest and greatest but no load data for unique or 2400 for lead in 38 or 357. In these times they are not exactly providing the best service by leaving out the popular options. It's not like they have tons of product on the shelf to choose from...
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When I cannot find load data from Alliant's current online/print Reloader's Guide, I reference 2004 Alliant Reloader's Guide which essentially lists all the lead load data I needed to conduct load development for past 30 years in various calibers I shot. Since Alliant removed the 2004 Reloader's Guide from their servers, I archived it on THR servers under "Resources" - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?resources/
AJC1 said:
In the case of the 38/357 one would expect a 158 rn or swc as the gold standard.
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And so does Speer as they publish lead load data in .38/.357 for Unique for 158 gr bullet weight
 
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LiveLife said:
Disclaimer: I understand this is almost a year old necro thread but much of questions asked are still pertinent today, especially during current shortage.


When I cannot find load data from Alliant's current online/print Reloader's Guide, I reference 2004 Alliant Reloader's Guide which essentially lists all the lead load data I needed to conduct load development for past 30 years in various calibers I shot. Since Alliant removed the 2004 Reloader's Guide from their servers, I archived it on THR servers under "Resources" - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?resources/

And so does Speer as they publish lead load data in .38/.357 for Unique for 158 gr bullet weight
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Thanks for the manual as I download or buy almost everyone I can find. The speer data stops at 6.0 and I'm loading currently at 7.0 as my best load. I wish they listed pressure so I could at least evaluate what their load limitations were. Most cast data I have seen explained is leading limited and with PC that is not a limitation for me. I'm not pushing full jacketed speeds as I stop at the accuracy load. 6.6 also produced good accuracy.
 
LiveLife said:
From 2004 Alliant Reloader's Guide - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?resources/2004-alliant-load-data.18/
  • .38 Spl 158 gr LSWC 1.420" OAL Max 4.3 gr (920 fps) 16,000 PSI
  • .38 Spl +P 158 gr LSWC 1.420" OAL Max 4.5 gr (950 fps) 17,100 PSI
  • .357 Mag 158 gr LSWC 1.580" OAL Max 6.8 gr (1,295 fps) 33.900 PSI
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So 7.0 at 1.585 is probably right on the line. The older manuals go up to 8.0 and I have no desire to venture into that territory. The highest I've gone is 7.2 and I've seen separate tests that say 7.4 was max on a 4" with attached pizo. It's not my primary powder at all, just something I tested as a backup load.
 
AJC1 said:
I've done it that way but then I end up with gold dot bullet loads. I have have almost every manual printed, i just figured they should include the staples....
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BBarn said:
higher volume reloaders
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If it's not the new hottest then its the old oldest and who cares about old except uneducated troglodytes? Alliant probably has some marketing data that tells them catering to single-load, mass-production reloaders is where the money's at. Maybe so but, those mass-production types are finicky and cheap. Raise the price of primers or powders to keep pace with inflation and they'll turn on a brand in a heartbeat. People like me like Unique because it works in 50+ calibers and a nearly infinite numbers of loadings per caliber. If all you load is 9mm but you load 1000+ rounds per week, then you really only need one powder - but you need a $hittonne of it!

"It meters better..." Who cares? I don't use a "meter."
 
Jesse Heywood said:
You will find more data in their reloading manual. Download or request a paper copy.
https://www.alliantpowder.com/resources/catalog.aspx
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LiveLife said:
especially during current shortage
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Exactly. The manual download is a permalink and updates with each new release. Ten years from now that post will [probably?] still be helpful.

And, I have noticed Alliant's search function and listings are a little improved since this thread opened. They do listen - to their paying customers. ;)
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
"It meters better..." Who cares? I don't use a "meter."
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Most progressive press users, regardless of color, generally use powder measure to "meter" powder charges.

And I have a feeling progressive presses outnumber single stage/turret presses. :)

GeoDudeFlorida said:
I have noticed Alliant's search function and listings are a little improved since this thread opened. They do listen - to their paying customers. ;)
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They sure do.

Shortly after BE-86/Sport Pistol were released, we pointed out mixed up load data online to "Paul from Alliant Reloading" along with request to expand testing for additional bullet types and weights and they were changed/added on the website.

And I would like to believe that our request for new Promo to meter better as we liked the performance consistency we got, Promo got "reblended" and rough Red Dot like flakes were gone and all the round granules were smooth and Promo metered better, matching W231/HP-38 metering out of my C-H 502 powder measure down to .12 gr variance, which is pretty good - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...blended-promo-for-more-accurate-loads.841097/

At least that's what I would like to think anyways. :p
 
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LiveLife said:
And I have a feeling progressive presses outnumber single stage/turret presses. :)
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On THR? Maybe. Maybe even probably. In the "wild"? Probably not - at least, not in actual use. Sitting in closets and garages, in boxes or affixed to dusty benches, maybe; but, actually used by their owners more than twice a year? I doubt it. Lee, Lyman and RCBS offer more varieties of single stage presses than they do progressives. RCBS's top seller is still the single-stage Rock Chucker (it's listed as such on their site) and Lyman's is the Ideal - I started on a Lyman Spartan in 1977. Mass-production, home factory, million-round-a-year reloaders are a tiny portion of the total market. My guess is, they're just very vocal and very wealthy. Money talks. Ain't no gettin' around it.

How about a poll topic to find out? At least we'd find out about THR's preferences. I'm betting either turret (which is a single-stage with multi-tool head) or traditional single-stage.
 
Mr_Flintstone said:
You might have to shell out for a Lyman manual. Mine has data for both Unique and 2400 in .38 Special and .357 Magnum. Or, you can go to the website listed in post #7. There is a copy of Lyman #48 there.
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I agree. I was consistently frustrated until I acquired the Lyman cast bullet Handbook. That one has plenty of cast load information and is better than the Lyman reloading manuals that come with reloading kits.

CH
 
Crazy Horse said:
I agree. I was consistently frustrated until I acquired the Lyman cast bullet Handbook. That one has plenty of cast load information and is better than the Lyman reloading manuals that come with reloading kits.

CH
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I believe the cast manual is better than their regular manual for my uses but having both makes your ready for any occasion at the bench...
 
LiveLife said:
Your poll choices differ from criteria I stated which was:
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Yes, it does. That's because I reject the idea that you are Master of the Universe. ;)

I simply broke out the various types of single-stage, turret and progressive presses. The basic three are still there, just with finer granularity. Calm down. The results can be combined if it makes you happy. And, you're running your own poll so, so what? :)
 
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