adrianbaxter1807
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I want to buy Tracer rounds. I'm a Georgia resident and have my CCL. I just dont wanna break the law!!! Help me
Am I breaking the law???
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paperpuncher49
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I'm not a Georgia resident, but it's doubtful you would be breaking any law if you purchase/possess tracers. It's not like tracer rounds are explosive or armor piercing or some other form of ammo that a lot of jurisdictions outlaw. I would suggest you Google "Georgia firearms laws." If tracers are illegal in Georgia, the state statutes regarding firearms should say so.
jgiehl
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Could always call the State Troopers or local PD also.
I use to love shooting tracers....use to being the key word.
Shot them at a outdoor range and started a fire.....Hit a stump on the hill behind the targets. That phosphorus is hot stuff!
There was water there so we quickly put it out but it torched a 60' lodgepole pine in the process.
I don't shoot tracers any more...
Fooon
Shot them at a outdoor range and started a fire.....Hit a stump on the hill behind the targets. That phosphorus is hot stuff!
There was water there so we quickly put it out but it torched a 60' lodgepole pine in the process.
I don't shoot tracers any more...
Fooon
nalioth
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Can we stop offering this advice?jgiehl said:
This is the worst possible advice to give to someone seeking legal advice.
Cops are allowed to lie to you, and then arrest you for acting on their lies.
blarby
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You could call your local DA, or NRA office as well.
Or go visit the courthouse.
Or use those new glow pasties
Or go visit the courthouse.
Or use those new glow pasties
Bmac1949
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Google it!
http://www.sbrammunition.com/terms.html
http://www.sbrammunition.com/terms.html
rfwobbly
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Try the Georgia Outdoor News (GON) forum or Georgia Carry.Org both offer legal help for GA firearms questions.
Kevin Rohrer
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Wrong. That is "entrapment", which is illegal. There is nothing wrong with asking them, except you might not get a correct answer (due to unintentional reasons, not intentional ones).
There is no federal law against tracer ammo. I saw an ad for shotgun tracer today. But I can't speak about Georgia law.
You might goto the Georgia law website and search for "tracer".
It probably won't do you much good to ask a GA LEO about GA gun law, and their answers could get you in trouble. We GA gun owners/carriers have found that many LEOs here don't know GA firearms laws any better than the average man on the street. Even some lower-level judges are ignorant of some parts of GA firearms law. Fortunately, "GA Firearms Law in Plain English" is available on the web at www.georgiapacking.org/law.
Tracers are legal, AFAIK, but what you DO with them might get you in hot water. Pretty hard to find a place to shoot them, since they set things on fire. Usually things that are a long ways away from you.
But they're definitely cool in the right environment!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQTFbPbg_g
But they're definitely cool in the right environment!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQTFbPbg_g
coloradokevin
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nalioth said:
Can we stop detracting from the thread for the sake of your anti-cop feelings?
You clearly don't understand the law and you didn't provide anything useful to this discussion.
@ the OP:
I'm not a Georgia resident, but I'm not aware of laws in most states that restrict tracers. I know you could buy them when I lived in Ohio, and I've seen them for sale out here. I don't personally shoot them for the same reasons that Tyfoon explained. I live in a state where everything likes to burn, so I don't have an interest in shooting any type of incendiary bullet out here! But, Georgia has a different climate, and you might be able to shoot these bullets in Georgia without the fire risk that I'm dealing with out here in the Rockies!
nalioth
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I'm not anti-cop, I'm pro-keeping-your-freedom.coloradokevin said:
You ask your local police about a law, and they make something up, and you go down the road into the next jurisdiction and get nabbed for doing something you thought was legal (because your local police told you it was), you do not have a defense in "My local police officer(s) told me it was legal".
If you'd care to read, this has been discussed quite a bit here on THR, including cases where the courts sided with the lying/misinformed/guestimating cops.
Members of law enforcement are not legally required to tell you the truth about anything.
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Response to Kevin: cops are being TRAINED to lie as part of their "investigative technique." That's right...not merely allowed...TRAINED. Its all part of the new wave in law enforcement "strategies." I know...I worked in law enforcement for more than twenty years; ten years was spent as a trainer. I personally don't believe in this crap and that's why I no longer work for law enforcement.
Nor is it entrapment for a cop to lie to you. The courts have been very clear on this. Cops are TRAINED to tell you that they found your fingerprints, DNA, whatever...even though there is no such evidence. All to pressure you into making admissions/confessions.
Bottom line: if you want legal advice, hire your own lawyer, NEVER ask a cop. If you're smart, you'll never even talk to a cop.
Nor is it entrapment for a cop to lie to you. The courts have been very clear on this. Cops are TRAINED to tell you that they found your fingerprints, DNA, whatever...even though there is no such evidence. All to pressure you into making admissions/confessions.
Bottom line: if you want legal advice, hire your own lawyer, NEVER ask a cop. If you're smart, you'll never even talk to a cop.
coloradokevin
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Old Scratch said:
Really? Because I'm a cop, and I have been for a long time. I must have missed the class about lying to citizens who ask for legal advice. I have my doubts about whether or not you were actually a cop, but if you were perhaps you should have picked a better agency to work for if lying was such a big part of the culture where you worked.
At the very least, I don't know of a single officer with any agency in this country that would intentionally lie to someone who was looking for legal advice, and then use that erroneous information as a reason to arrest the person (which was the context of the post I originally responded to).
Have cops unintentionally given out incorrect legal advice in the past? I'm sure they have. First, no one is perfect. Second, cops aren't lawyers, nor are they justices on the US Supreme Court. With that said, I've never known a cop who would lie to someone who asked for legal advice, whether that be about guns or any other subject.
As for the lies (more like misdirection) that are used in the course of an interrogation or investigation, those are rather narrow in scope, and really fairly predictable. They certainly don't compare at all to the subject that was mentioned in this thread. Those investigative "lies" often consist of telling a suspect something along the lines of "okay, your buddy said he's going to talk to us about the robbery, and let us know what really happened. I'll be back after I see what he wants to tell me".
Anyway, I respectfully requested that we keep this obviously anti-cop agenda out of this thread. It really has nothing to do with the OP's request for legal advice, and you have no basis in fact to support the claim that the police would lie to a citizen who requested legal advice.
I will, however, agree with you insofar as saying that police officers aren't lawyers, and that a lawyer should be consulted if you want to be sure that the information you receive is as accurate as possible. But, just because a certain cop isn't familiar with every criminal law does not mean that the officer is lying to a person, or that they would have any desire to mislead the citizen.
Incidentally, what advice have you or nalioth provided to help the OP answer his question? Did you really just respond to this thread to say "Don't talk to cops and call a lawyer"?
kingpin008
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It's pretty obvious that their advice was to go to a proper, trustable source of info.
Yes, they did. And it happens to be great advice. Whether cops are "allowed to lie to you" or not, they are NOT a reputable source of legal information. If they were, you'd be able to have them represent you in court and we wouldn't need laywers. Therefore, Nalioth and the rest have offered valid advice. They may have phrased it in a way that you don't agree with, but that doesn't change the fact that it's correct.
First off, in GA it is a Georgia Weapons License. There is no requirement in Ga for Concealed Carry.
Second, go here and here
No, tracers are not illegal in georgia. However, they are prohibited from being used at any DNR or WMA shooting range. As was said earlier, they are very dangerous to shoot, so are restricted at most ranges I have been too.
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
bbuddtec
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Lawyers don't lie to you?? Hmmm.
Vigilance, as always is the most prudent path. Do your own research, into what the round does as well as your rights. You may have a right to shoot incendiaries, but like all ammo, etc. You own what your shooting does.
PS, just for fun, ask a LEO... you might find it's not like TV.
Vigilance, as always is the most prudent path. Do your own research, into what the round does as well as your rights. You may have a right to shoot incendiaries, but like all ammo, etc. You own what your shooting does.
PS, just for fun, ask a LEO... you might find it's not like TV.
kingpin008
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1. In this case, why would they?
2. No, they generally don't, seeing as how they're liable in many cases if they give improper/inaccurate advice.
im sorry, thats simply not true.......thats like asking a cop what the speed limit is, and 3 seconds later having him pull you over and him telling you " i know i said the speed limit was 45....but i lied, its actually 25.....heres your ticket and have a nice day"
now are cops allowed to lie under certain circumstances.. sure.....but their job is to uphold the law, not create criminals......thats the govts job.
littlebluevette
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Lawyers don't lie to you?? Hmmm.
Funny most of our elected leaders in Washington are lawyers
Funny most of our elected leaders in Washington are lawyers
mljdeckard
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They are educated as lawyers. They aren't practicing law. They have not been retained to represent your individual interests.
If you want to know the law, call the attorney general.
If you want to know the law, call the attorney general.
kingpin008
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The AG is not in the business of doling out legal advice to Joe Public. They are there to handle legal issues for the state Govenrment and LEO. If you have a legal question, contact a local lawyer - that's precisely what they're there for.
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