am i within my rights? the questions at the end.

am i within my rights?

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    Votes: 10 26.3%

  • No

    Votes: 28 73.7%
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I have a pit bull named nos that is Profesionaly trained in personal protection. He is an outdoor dog that lives in a shed like structure and is locked up wth a pad lock at night. There are many "gang bangers" that always tell me they want to fight him to there dogs, i obviosly say no. but last night i caught two of them sneaking in my backyard to try and take Nos. I never owned a gun before so i called the cops and ran out there with a bat, but long story short they got away and i dont know were they live. I am getting my gun license asap.

What would happen if this happens again when i have a pistol and i shoot them and they die. would i be well within my rights to fire my gun at these people?
 
Check your state laws on use of deadly force, CAREFULLY. Speak to an LEO in your area or better yet an attorney. This is something you do not want to get wrong.
 
Generally, no, you would not be within your rights to shoot them for trespassing on your property. Get a good criminal attorney on retainer. I suspect you're going to be needing one.

K
 
It's like in the movie "Shooter" that just came out

"You don't understand. They killed my dog."
 
I have a pit bull named nos that is Profesionaly trained in personal protection. He is an outdoor dog that lives in a shed like structure and is locked up wth a pad lock at night.
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If you have a dog professionally trained in personal protection then why in the world are you locking it in a shed at night? That seems about as productive as locking your home defense gun up every night.

Train the critter to sleep in the bedroom. If I had gang bangers running around in my backyard this would be #1 on my list of things to change.
 
No. you wouldn't be within your rights if he's in the shed however, move teh dog into the house and if they come in there they you would be.
 
Different states have different laws concerning defense of property through the use of deadly force.

In talking to a lawyer, I'd definitely ask about keepiing the dog inside vs. outside.

If you're dealing with gangbangers, the issue of revenge could create an ongoing problem, a hazard. You might be able to deal with one or two, but trying to cope with a group means dealing with a mob mentality.

Short term, keep the dog inside at night if at all possible.

Art
 
I said no, because I'm not sure how strict New Jersey's gun laws are. As others have said bring the dog in at night or when you aren't home if possible, consider all alternatives before using deadly force.
 
I said "Yes" because you have a natural human right to defend yourself and your property. Whether exercising that right is legal depends on which set of local government infringements apply in your jurisdiction. NJ? You'd probably be arrested and charged. +1 on the other comments - get a lawyer and find a path where you can protect what is yours without running afoul of the law.
 
We've been over the ethical and legal issues related to lethal force use in the defense of property. The board consensus is that you are not ethically entitled to use lethal force to hold property that is not essential to sustaining your life and you are not legally allowed to use lethal force for the same situation.

Why can't you keep your canine friend in the house at night? He doesn't do you a lot of good for personal protection if he's locked up away from you where he can't do his job.
 
In Ohio you would be denied your right to do so as you're not allowed to use lethal force to protect property.
 
In some states pets are not to be considered as having a money value. That being the case you can not sue for their value. It can also be very risky defending pets with deadly force.
In some states pets are treated as live stock. You can sue or defend them as valued property. I think you run a risk any where shooting some one in a building which is not used as a residence by humans. In the case where the person is injured or killed is found to have not been armed. I would check with a Bottom Feeder{Lawyer} before shooting. If you recall even Wyatt Earp stood for trial for the shooting at the OK Corral.:banghead:
 
"I was outside checking on my dog when these guys came out of the bushes and tried to jump me so I defended myself!!!" I think that's the way it should be, but I would train the dog to stay inside, even in a back room if possible.
 
The general rule of thumb, applicable in pretty much every state, is that you are allow to use deadly force only when you or a third party is in imminent danger of grevious bodily harm or death. You may not shoot someone who is stealing your hubcaps or probably, your dog.
 
I impressed...nobody else has called troll.

I think something isn't right here. Sounds like the dog is an "investment".

You care so little that you leave your dog locked in a shed, but, you would take a human life for the dog that you leave in a shed?

Troll.
 
Speaking to an attorney regarding what level of force you may use on your property is a good idea. Ideally you want to speak to an attorney that is familiar with the mindset of the local DA/prosecuting attorney. The facts of a case are not always the basis for whether a person is arrested and charged with a crime. The political goals and orientation of the DA has a lot to do with whether or not you will be arrested and prosecuted for a crime. In some jurisdictions, if you shoot or kill someone LEO has no choice, they must arrest you and submit the incident to a grand jury for review. In others LEO has more lee way.

KNOW THE LAWS THAT APPLY TO YOU!. Ignorance has never been held up as an adequate defense. Its good to stand up for your rights..... its better to stand up for them and not be imprisoned for doing so.
 
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