AMD 65 kits from Tapco?

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So has anyone ever bought on of these? Are they hard to put together? Is it worth it? Thanks Tim


AK HUNGARIAN AMD-65 KIT
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Our Price: $99.99
Out of Stock
Expected: 4/23/2004
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Item#: AK0660
Hungarian AK AMD-65 Kits are Finally Here!
Originally used by tank crews, now utilized by police and Special Forces, these short barreled rifles are both Compact and Light Weight
Everyone has the opportunity to own these - we added our imported semi-auto fire control groups to the kits in place of the full-auto group

Complete except for the receiver and rivets
Surplus kits - condition may vary
All NFA Rules Apply
You will need the following items to complete your rifle and become U.S. compliant

Receiver Flat with Rails and Rivets
G2 Fire Control Group
AMD Gas Piston
AMD Muzzle Extention
AK U.S. made Pistol Grip
 
you assemble it on a semi-auto receiver, put a barrel extension on to make it 16" and fix the stock open and once all the correct U.S. parts are in place you are good to go without the 200$ tax since the firearm is not a SBR.
 
This has me intrigued now... so I had to go out and do some searching. It looks like there is already a good forum that will have just about everything I'll ever need to know about building your own AK or variant.

http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=678

There's plenty of threads about the AMD-65 in it too.


Plus, I learned it's completely legal (at least if you're in a free state) to make your own receiver and doesn't sound too difficult with the right parts. Finally I'll be able to have a gun that isn't 4473 registered!
 
Properly riveting the trunions and pressing the barrels is tool intensive. You need a press and a jig to properly swell the rivets and a press kit to properly press the barrel. If you have access to the right tools, go for it. AMD 65 is a great first AK build. I recommend the kits at http://www.centerfiresystems.com/ though. They are cheaper, in top notch condition, and the customer service is superb.
 
Daedalus this is what they sell at centerfire systems:

Hungarian AMD-63 Replacement Parts Kit, Like New Condition
Quantity in Basket: none
Code: AMD-63KIT
Price: $129.97
The AMD-63 7.62x39 Features: Elm wood buttstock and pistol grips, steel ventilated lower forend, and 16 1/2 inch barrel. Complete bolt, bolt carrier, receiver cover, complete recoil spring, and all semi auto fire control parts. NOTE: Wood may show shipping and storage wear. The barrels in this kit may not be used to assemble new firearms that would be prohibited from importation pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 925 (d) (3)


So what else do you need to finish the project? Does it have to ship to an FFL? Have you ever done one of these? Thanks Tim
 
If you click on "parts kits" on their website they have an array of different parts kits

Hungarian AMD-63 Replacement Parts Kit, Like New Condition
Code: AMD-63KIT
Price: $129.97
Quantity in Basket: none

AMD-65 Hungarian Replacement Parts Kit, Like New Condition (Plastic Grips)
Code: AMD-65KIT
Price: $109.97
Quantity in Basket: none

AMD-65 Hungarian Replacement Parts Kit, Very Good Condition (Plastic Grips)
Code: AMD-65KITB
Price: $89.97
Quantity in Basket: none

AMD-65 Hungarian Replacement Parts Kit, Like New Condition (Wood Grips)
Code: AMD-65KITWG
Price: $109.97
Quantity in Basket: none

AMD-65 Hungarian Replacement Parts Kit, Very Good Condition (Wood Grips)
Code: AMD-65KITWGB
Price: $89.97
Quantity in Basket: none
 
So what else do you need to finish the project? Does it have to ship to an FFL? Have you ever done one of these? Thanks Tim

I have done a Romak 3 from a parts kit, which is pretty much as difficult as an AK kit can get due to the increased size. I have been giving serious thought to building an AMD-63. Basically here is what you need to do:

1. Buy a rifle parts kit
2. Buy either
a completed reciever for like 50 bucks +transfer fees etc.
Go to http://www.acearms.com/ and buy their AK reciever blank and drill the holes and cut out the mag well etc yourself. This is a very tedious process and unless you really want to save money or have a legal AK that does not have a 4473 attached, I do not recommend it.
3. Buy U.S. compliance parts kits so that you meet the parts count requirement

Then you need to start construction
1. Set out your parts kits and THROW AWAY the parts you are replacing with US parts. Dont keep them because they are probably going to be called "machine gun conversion parts" or some nonsense.
2. From what I can tell these parts kits all have the barrel pressed inside the trunnion. You need to press the barrel back out again while damaging the trunion as little as possible. Folks on AK47.net sell special press kits that do this that you can use to do this.
3. IF you bought an AMD65 kit, either get a barrel extension, or get a extended muzzlebrake, or some other device to get your barrel out of Randy Weaver territory. After you screw it on, weld that puppy so it is permanently attached. You also need to weld the wire stock so it does not fold. The AMD 63 has a 16 inch barrel but no muzzle device so if a muzzle break, wire stock, and the extra 20 bucks are not important I would build an AMD 63 just to save myself the trouble.
4. You need to take your trunions, front and rear, and rivet them into place in the reciever. You need to either get an aircraft grade riveter, or get a riveting jig, again available from folks on AK47.net.
5. You need to press the barrel back into the trunion and make sure the barrel is lined up properly.
6. Drive the barrel pin into the front trunion and across the barrel to lock it into place, a press is useful for this but I did it with a hammer and a punch because I forgot to do it at the shop and did not want to have to go back for a piddly pin. This was a mistake and turned out to be a huge pain in the ass, always use the best tool for the job.
7. Install the internal goodies, FCG, hammer, springs, mag catch, doo dads, and whatsits.
8. Spend about a week polishing, fitting, fixing, and swearing because things will not fit right at first and you will need to file down rails, widen the mag catch, etc etc etc. Buy snap caps or put bullets back in spent rounds to test the action. I remember reading about someone on AK47.net that was testing the action with, of course, live rounds :uhoh: and had himself an ND where luckily noone was injured.
9. After you are satisfied with the action on it take it to the range, shoot it and find out what else is wrong then fix that.
10. You are finished, but some gun kote to fix up all the scratches and marring it picked up while you were working on it (This is why I dont think buying like new kits is wise since you are going to muss up the finish anyway) and have fun.

Thats my reader's digest version, and I strongly encourage you to consult this page http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/AK/docs/construction/construction.htm to find out in more detail what is required.
 
2. From what I can tell these parts kits all have the barrel pressed inside the trunnion. You need to press the barrel back out again while damaging the trunion as little as possible. Folks on AK47.net sell special press kits that do this that you can use to do this.

4. You need to take your trunions, front and rear, and rivet them into place in the reciever. You need to either get an aircraft grade riveter, or get a riveting jig, again available from folks on AK47.net.
5. You need to press the barrel back into the trunion and make sure the barrel is lined up properly.
6. Drive the barrel pin into the front trunion and across the barrel to lock it into place, a press is useful for this but I did it with a hammer and a punch because I forgot to do it at the shop and did not want to have to go back for a piddly pin. This was a mistake and turned out to be a huge pain in the ass, always use the best tool for the job.

keep in mind that you can also save some money and time if you tap the trunnions and screw together your rifle. you don't even have to press the barrel out to do this as long as your are careful when drilling out the rivets. going the screw route will also save you from having to headspace the barrel (assuming you purchase a parts kit with a matching bolt). i've read a lot of reviews on this method and it seems to work just as well as riveting the trunnions.

here is an example of a screw-built rifle from the webpage Daedalus provided.

http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/AK74/build/fini/DSCN3338_small.JPG

here is the step by step construction of a ace arms blank receiver found on their webpage.

http://www.acearms.com/tutorials/blank_build.shtml
 
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