Ammo comparison: 7.62x25 Tok vs. .357 sig

[R.W.Dale]

So it appears the Tok is shorter than the Sig. If as much money was invested in the Tok round, then people could plink with the cheap surplus and us quality self defense offerings that are currently offered in the overpriced Sig rounds.

No tok is several mm longer than 357sig,9x19,.40s&W,10mm or even 45acp

Left to right. 9mm-357-7.62


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[NG VI]

.357 really isn't as highly priced as people think, it's probably got something to do with local store practices more than the actual cost of the ammunition. I know Georgia Arms has some very reasonably priced .357, and defense-quality/loaded .357 is exactly the same as the other calibers.

 

[bigfatdave]

Well, the .357sig FMJ prices look good, but have the perennial GA "out of stock" warning, which often comes before a price hike or introducing a "new" product that costs more.
But even the HP was cheaper than I expected, I was rather surprised.

 

[Snowdog]

The 7.62x25 has plenty of potential as there are several JSPs and JHPs available (Hornady's 85gr XTP JHP and Sierra's 85gr SportMaster comes to mind).

I've loaded several JSPs with great results. They do shoot flat and do expand just fine as the 7.62x25 is known for it's velocity. I find JSPs perfectly appropriate for the 7.62x25.

Below is a 85gr Sports Master that apparently had no trouble expanding.


I find the Yugo M57, with its decent ergonomics, makes for a decent trail pistol for this reason.

I also have a couple pistols chambered in .357Sig and I'd feel they'd make superb trail pistols too.

I like both the 7.62x25 and .357Sig, but feel the Sig does have a bit more to offer due to the bullet selection.

 

[leadcounsel]

I like both the 7.62x25 and .357Sig, but feel the Sig does have a bit more to offer due to the bullet selection.

But is this only due to the investment in the caliber? Had the same investment been made for the Tok round, we'd see the same results, no?

 

[R.W.Dale]

But is this only due to the investment in the caliber? Had the same investment been made for the Tok round, we'd see the same results, no?

No

Because any way you slice it tok bullets are lighter and smaller around than sig bullets going just as fast

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[JHenry]

where do the x25's lie in terms of balistics compared to rounds like the .40 and 9mm?

 

[Robbins290]

The 7.62x25 is a good coyote hunting gun in brush. Its fast enough that you dont have to lead it. The 30 tok is my favorite round. I would love to see a modern hicap pistol in that caliber. I think it mite have over penetration in a sd. Good camp round

 

[NG VI]

It is about as 'powerful' as they are in terms of energy, but it gets there with light bullets going fast. For a defensive gun, there's only so much you can control. The weapon, in this case you can get anything you want in 9/.40/.357, and only a couple of inferior guns in 7.62x25. The bullet, design and weight are the only two factors that aren't variable or of questionable benefit. For the currently produced calibers, there are dozens of top-shelf defense bullets available, many for very reasonable prices. Also, they may be about equal energy-wise, but the heavier bullets they use means they decelerate slower and are more predictable performers. And the Tok has almost no good non-FMJ bullets available for it.

 

[Old Scratch]

I'm with Robbins...the caliber makes a BIG difference. The Tok isn't high-capacity, or "modern" (whatever that means) but its cartidge does things even the 357 SIG won't...like penetrate. I'm not aware of any 357 SIG loads that will beat 1700 fps...I've chonographed such performance with handloads in 7.62. Flat shooting, high energy and amazing penetration...all in a very compact package. Add in a cheap price tag and its a tough combination to beat.

 

[nathan]

I like my Norinco 54 and can shoot it onehanded fairly well . Sometimes i carry it with FNM brand hollow points. I load it in Condition 3 , and i cock the hammer . If i have to draw i can rack the slide fairly easily bec the hammer is already cocked. Then chamber a round ---so called Israeli Style.

 

[NG VI]

By modern I mean you can't get 7.62 Tok chambered in anything but Tokarevs or CZ 52s. Try getting a Sig, Glock, M&P, or 1911 chambered in 7.62 Tok. Sure, the Tokarevs are similar to the 1911, especially in feel, but they don't offer the same options as far as sights, finishes, grips, or any of the other parts you can use to make your gun the way you want it.

I have a hard time believing the penetration point doesn't go to the .357, given it's ability to push much heavier bullets than the 7.62, the difference is the .357 can be loaded with much better bullets if your goal is to have a gun that causes as much tissue damage as possible with a reasonable amount of penetration. If you're talking about through hard barriers like steel or glass, sure the Tok penetrates a little better due to somewhat higher velocity and narrower bullets, but is that actually a useful trait?

 

[leadcounsel]

sure the Tok penetrates a little better due to somewhat higher velocity and narrower bullets, but is that actually a useful trait?

Could be a detriment, could be a benefit. Select the tool for the job...

 

[Probie9]

Regardless of all the questions, it's just fun to shoot. Sure some are faster, some have heavier and better selections of bullets but there is just something about it.