Ammo Prices
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Tom S.
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"Price gouging is not possible in a Capitalist Society."
That statement is only true for non-essential items that we can choose to pay the price for or refuse to purchase because of the price. For commodities that are needed to in order to exist, gouging is alive and well.
That statement is only true for non-essential items that we can choose to pay the price for or refuse to purchase because of the price. For commodities that are needed to in order to exist, gouging is alive and well.
Agreed. We have a unique relationship with the gun industry that's unlike other businesses. We give to the NRA who supports our cause to keep and bear arms. Part of the cause is to help private manufacturers from abusive and fool hardy laws. So we give twice, once for the product(s) and again to the legal system.
What can be said if the manufacturers ARE gouging and abusing the trust we put in them? What is thier ethical stance given the unique support structure given them by thier customers?
Duke of Doubt
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We have so many used guns out there that no manufacturer can be said to be gouging. The price is the price; you don't have to buy it. I haven't bought a "new" gun in a long, long time.
solareclipse
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Actually, totally really. Those who had stocks before affect nothing. It is those who decided to suddenly drop a mortgage on ammo (and keep doing it) that are creating this artificial shortage.
The previous shortage was around the iraq conflict. Ammo went low for a while and everybody panicked and started buying drying it up.
Now its even worse because it is on a bigger scale. I personally don't care since it is your right to buy as much as you can afford, BUT, it is the same people who ALWAYS complain about prices and availability. It gets old real fast.
Some people also live in the past. Who cares how much ammo and guns cost 20 years ago? Seriously... nobody. If you don't like the current market, you are free to not participate in it. It is as simple as that.
Right.. except that not everybody was born back in the day and stockpiled back in the day. New consumers will always become part of the picture and the prices will act accordingly. Grandfathered items are irrelevant as such.
If it gets old fast to hear complaints, you are free not to participate in the discussion as well as the buying of bullets.
If bullet pricing reaches beyond the means of the common man to purchase then that might be something worth taking a closer look at. Some folks can opt to shrug and say "well, let the market decide", while others ask if the market forces are making any sense (maybe they are). I guess that's whining to some.......
solareclipse
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Complaining about prices and availability while buying up the whole store is a fantastic way to make yourself come across as a sensible person...
SuperFlyLoser
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Bullet Bubble! I think we're just looking at a large demand by folks who are semi-interested in guns and now that there is a possible ban on the horizon, these same semi-interested folks are getting their preferred firearm. Along with these firearms, of course, comes the ammo.
The manufacturers probably didn't add any capacity to produce more weapons or ammo, but just figured in this tough economy that making due with the capacity they have will just have to be enough.
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SFL
The manufacturers probably didn't add any capacity to produce more weapons or ammo, but just figured in this tough economy that making due with the capacity they have will just have to be enough.
My .02
SFL
I'll sit back and go "click, click, click" until the prices drop again.
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Prices on guns and ammo generally just go up.
I'm afraid that something else is going on, aside from the big demand because of the Kenyan "president" and their need for ammo for their endless wars. If everything was legit and there was such a big demand for ammo, why wouldn't the manufacturers make more, and why wouldn't the gun shops stock more, so they could make more profits? I think that they are trying to attack the right to bear arms by going after ammo, since they had problems going after guns.
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Prices on guns and ammo generally just go up.
I'm afraid that something else is going on, aside from the big demand because of the Kenyan "president" and their need for ammo for their endless wars. If everything was legit and there was such a big demand for ammo, why wouldn't the manufacturers make more, and why wouldn't the gun shops stock more, so they could make more profits? I think that they are trying to attack the right to bear arms by going after ammo, since they had problems going after guns.
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Bullets are still cheap.
I got into antique Swiss Vetterli rimfire .41 rifles about eight years ago. Ammunition was typically $12.50 per round.
It's all what you're used to.
I got into antique Swiss Vetterli rimfire .41 rifles about eight years ago. Ammunition was typically $12.50 per round.
It's all what you're used to.
Duke of Doubt
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A-dollar-a-dead-dude is cheap.
All the whining aside I do see a good side to all this panic buying of both weapons and ammunition. I've talked to many people that either didn't have a weapon and now want one or had one or two and now want to purchase more, especially the black guns.
In other words they finally woke up. If we're smart we can use this new awakening to our advantage by enlisting them in our struggle against the current administration with their anti gun ideas.
Call it what you want, the reason that I've found for people buying up all the ammo they can find is because they're scared on many levels.
Just my 2 centavos...
In other words they finally woke up. If we're smart we can use this new awakening to our advantage by enlisting them in our struggle against the current administration with their anti gun ideas.
Call it what you want, the reason that I've found for people buying up all the ammo they can find is because they're scared on many levels.
Just my 2 centavos...
doubleh
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Supply and demand. Demand is low, prices are low. Demand is high, prices are high. Demand is at all time high for ammo so it would seem. I have never seen ammo this scarce in my lifetime and I've been around for a couple of years or more.
There is a little more to it than that. Large manufactures don't buy their raw materials the day they need it. They are committed for material purchases months in advance. It takes time for them to work through the higher priced inventory and reach the point where their materials are lower priced. Same with distributors and retailers. Don't expect any of them to lower their prices until their costs go down. This could take months and until the panic buying and demand for ammo drops don't expect to see much relief at the checkout counter.
There is a little more to it than that. Large manufactures don't buy their raw materials the day they need it. They are committed for material purchases months in advance. It takes time for them to work through the higher priced inventory and reach the point where their materials are lower priced. Same with distributors and retailers. Don't expect any of them to lower their prices until their costs go down. This could take months and until the panic buying and demand for ammo drops don't expect to see much relief at the checkout counter.
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Was at Gander Mountain last weekend and saw Remington 22lr rifle bulk ammo for $24.99. Evidently the demand for this high priced ammo was not there as the entire shelf was full of this ammo.
jackstinson
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Last time I stopped by my local Walmart (2 days ago) they had a 15 foot long cabinet with three nearly empty shelves where the ammo used to be, until it was bought up by the panicked hoarders.
All that was left were a few bricks or Federal and Remington .22LR, a couple boxes of .40, maybe a dozen boxes of .38 Special (not very popluar I suppose?), and 2 boxes of .25acp. The rest of it was all sold out.
And have you looked for .380acp online this week? What the heck is up with all the "OUT OF STOCK"? Natchez, Graf, Cheaper-Than-Dirt, Sportsman's Guide, etc etc etc. I see AIM has some, but they also have the "9-12 business day delay" warning. I simply back-ordered some for mid-February.
It's crazy. Guess I'll have to join the hoarders and buy it by the case. Schheeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz.....
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Those empty shelves aren't lost sales for them. Prices will not fall once the casual shooters have built their stockpile, and you will buy the same amount three months from now as you would have bought two days ago.
Davionmaximus
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Supply and demand meets panic and a bit-o-gouging... 
whitefeather
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I'm just glad I bought by the case when it was *cheap*.
For instance, the last 7.62 Nato I bought (in 1200 round cans) was 16 cents/round in 2007.
The last 5.56 I bought (radway green/ nato headstamp) was $140/800 rds. on stripper clips in bandoliers.... early in 2008.
Look at where it is now!! It's litterally like shooting a steady stream of cash out the barrel. When you're emptying 20 and 30 round mags in a couple of minutes IT IS A STEADY STREAM OF CASH OUT THE BARREL!!!
I really have a tough time convincing myself to shoot any of it any more.
For instance, the last 7.62 Nato I bought (in 1200 round cans) was 16 cents/round in 2007.
The last 5.56 I bought (radway green/ nato headstamp) was $140/800 rds. on stripper clips in bandoliers.... early in 2008.
Look at where it is now!! It's litterally like shooting a steady stream of cash out the barrel. When you're emptying 20 and 30 round mags in a couple of minutes IT IS A STEADY STREAM OF CASH OUT THE BARREL!!!
I really have a tough time convincing myself to shoot any of it any more.
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