264swedmoor
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CA requires ammo to be shipped to an FFL. Can someone with a CA COE and a C&R FFL (type 03) take possession of ammunition directly via an online sale -or- must that transaction occur at another FFL?
I called the CA Bureau of Firearms. Their answer was that it had to ship to an FFL. I pointed out that a C&R FFL is an FFL and asked for guidance specifically excluding a type 03. Their answer was that they could not find it but that they "know it's the case." They also pointed me to CA Penal Code 30314. But that seems to fly in the face of what he told me on the phone while we were both reading this statute...
(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312 .
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(1) An ammunition vendor.
(2) A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830 ) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer's duties.
(3) An importer or manufacturer of ammunition or firearms who is licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921 ) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450 ) of Chapter 6 of Division 6.
(5) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921 ) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710 .
(6) A person who acquired the ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720 .
(c) A violation of this section is an infraction for any first time offense, and either an infraction or a misdemeanor for any subsequent offense.
Now, (b)(5) seems to indicates that a COE holder and a licensed collector pursuant to US Code Title 18, Chapter 44, section 923 (b):
(b) Any person desiring to be licensed as a collector shall file an application for such license with the Attorney General. The application shall be in such form and contain only that information necessary to determine eligibility as the Attorney General shall by regulation prescribe. The fee for such license shall be $10 per year. Any license granted under this subsection shall only apply to transactions in curios and relics.
So, can an out of state ammo supplier ship ammo directly to a California COE with a FFL Type 03?
I called the CA Bureau of Firearms. Their answer was that it had to ship to an FFL. I pointed out that a C&R FFL is an FFL and asked for guidance specifically excluding a type 03. Their answer was that they could not find it but that they "know it's the case." They also pointed me to CA Penal Code 30314. But that seems to fly in the face of what he told me on the phone while we were both reading this statute...
(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312 .
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(1) An ammunition vendor.
(2) A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830 ) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer's duties.
(3) An importer or manufacturer of ammunition or firearms who is licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921 ) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450 ) of Chapter 6 of Division 6.
(5) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921 ) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710 .
(6) A person who acquired the ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720 .
(c) A violation of this section is an infraction for any first time offense, and either an infraction or a misdemeanor for any subsequent offense.
Now, (b)(5) seems to indicates that a COE holder and a licensed collector pursuant to US Code Title 18, Chapter 44, section 923 (b):
(b) Any person desiring to be licensed as a collector shall file an application for such license with the Attorney General. The application shall be in such form and contain only that information necessary to determine eligibility as the Attorney General shall by regulation prescribe. The fee for such license shall be $10 per year. Any license granted under this subsection shall only apply to transactions in curios and relics.
So, can an out of state ammo supplier ship ammo directly to a California COE with a FFL Type 03?