Anatomy of a knock-out

[Sniper4Life]

hmmmm........ I am training a few friends, both with weights and how to fight.

The top rules if you cant avoid a fight are:

1. Start punching, dont stop until they are down
2. If you are gettin beat dont be afraid to fight dirty
3. If you are outnumbered.. run like hell, 99.9999% of the time your gonna get your butt kicked.

On the topic of kicking, I favor a combo that I have sorta worked out to be preformed at the begining of the fight only. The puches get them off balance wich makes the kick to the knee possible. I dont do any other kicks when fighting but occasionaly when a few girls are watching me workout I can pull off some drop kicks and such, but I dont think I would ever use them in a fight.

The school yard right, AKA the haymaker, if you practice enough, you can eliminate the the step, but not quite all the bringing the shoulder back, my favorite with the guys at my school, they fall for it every time, is to fake a left haymaker and then drive your right arm into thier gut as hard as you can. After that, you can pretty much do whatever you want for about 15 seconds.

One tip that works, Some people have a problem with hitting hard, say you are punching at someones head, imagin that he has 2 heads one behind the other. the one infront is the real one, the one that you actually hit, but when you hit try to hit the imaginary head, in other words you are trying to drive your fist through his head. In my experience, the people that I taught this, thier punches hit alot harder, some with only marginal improvement, some doubling thier punching power.

 

[Cousin Mike]

Fakes (we call 'em faints) are great, provided that you know how. It's not just as simple as moving one arm, then punching with the other... Certain combinations seem to work best for me and most others. As for the "multiple heads" theory, that's a great way to word things... That should always catch the person "at the end of the punch," - where all the power is...

The schoolyard right (the 5th ward bomb, suckerpunch, whatever you wanna call it) IMHO is best countered with a right cross, straight down the pipe. To be honest, I'm not going to wait for someone to throw it... I don't want to take the chance it'll land. Granted, I can take a punch... but anyone can get knocked out. As soon as someone positions themselves to throw that big right at me, I'm swarming them... no questions asked. (And yes, I really, truly, honestly mean that, I know what I'm saying, etc. There's no mistaking that "I'm about to clock you" look if you know how to read the signs.)

I grew up in martial arts. I studied boxing as an adult. I'd recommend boxing to ANYONE. It's probably the most practical art out there when combined with MMA knowledge, and you'll never find a better workout anywhere...

99% of the time, the puncher/grappler is going to win the fight. I've seen black belts, MMA guys kick at their opponents in those UFC fights... They look retarded (ever noticed that?) - and it NEVER has the 'devastating effect' it's supposed to... IMO, that stuff is best left in the gym, or at the VERY least, until the very END of the fight... read: the kick is the fight-ender.

Kicks are for movies, impressing girls, and tournaments that adhere (strictly) to one style of martial art [such as Tae Kwon Do] that focus specifically on leg attacks and kicking. I maintain my position that the last thing I'd ever do in a real, knockdown-dragout brawl is throw a kick at a functional opponent.

But then again, I won all of my fights ('cept the Golden Gloves... )

 

[Correia]

Good to see you again, Mike.

 

[Sawyer]

I'd agree with you that the typical MMA fighter looks pretty laughable doing their kicks, only because I consider the whole human cockfighting concept to be ridiculous-most of them are just dumb brawlers- and supposedly they are the toughest guys ever, but there are so many rules in place that a person's true fighting ability is hard to evaluate. Those of you that follow the sport more than I do remember one guy (English, I think), a UFC champion, but his supposed fighting ability didn't prevent him from getting knifed in a streetfight.
You can't compare a typical MMA kick to one you'd use in a streetfight-you would not kick higher than the waist, you are low kicking to severely damage his knee and shins, etc.
No offense, but most people here are responding from a Eurocentric, western martial art point of view,which is mostly punching,etc.
We just have two different approachs-if someone is charging at you, I'd launch into a side stop kick to bring it to him and stop him,(and I WILL stop him) whereas the western approach might be to let him come to you and start grappling, either is completely valid, it all depends on the skill of the person. I am as supremely confident in my kicking abilities as you are with your fists of steel, lol.
Kicks are a valuable tool in anyone's bag of tricks, to dismiss them completely and not at least attempt to learn how to use them properly is pretty foolish, imho.

 

[3fgburner]

I've never actually been knocked out...

At least to the point of losing consciousness. I did catch a wallop last year at the Pennsic War, that put me on the ground. Didn't actually knock me down, my legs and body just quit working for a couple seconds after I got hit. The bummer was, I wasn't even fighting, hence not in armor. I was marshalling - combination of referee and safety officer. Got shot in the chops by a ballista... Catching one of those frigging yellow things in the teeth (yes, the "padding" on that tip is a tennis ball) got my attention. Ground went sideways, I fell on my @$$, then @$$ quit working and I went down on my back. Managed to come out of it without concussion symptoms, though - no altered mental state (when the ground quit moving), pupils same size, no nausea or anything like that. I got lucky.

 

[auschip]

only because I consider the whole human cockfighting concept to be ridiculous-most of them are just dumb brawlers-

Senator McCain, is that you? I'm curious, how many of these guys have you met?

Incidentally, I'm going to have to agree with Chris also.

 

[jimbob1911]

Something I havent seen mentioned much on here is the use of space. Anyone who has had training in any martial art will agree that utilizing space, balance, and approach are more important than anything else. Whether throwing a kick or punch or just "submiting someone" you must be able to "close the gap" if on the offensive, "defend your space" if on the defensive, and by all means "circle your opponent". Circling your target makes it much easier to close the gap and get in a better position for a strike. Never attempt to attack someone after you are both squared up unless you expect one of you to get ko'd and have no respect for your opponent. If you watch any fighting sport you will realize how much they circle each other looking for an "opening". I realize in a street fight that most times there is a bull rush to begin with but if one simply remembers to circle you can find yourself in a perfect position to strike. The trick is not getting in too close unless you know how to grapple and if you do get in too close STAY CLOSE and wait until the right moment to seperate and strike. It is all about space and using it correctly. Also one of the most underrated skills to have is a good wrestling background. It will teach you balance, circling, space control. Ask any UFC or MMA fighter, wrestling is a must. Not that other skills are not a great compliment but wrestling allows you to control someone which many others like boxing do not. Once you have control, then you can strike effectively. Just my 2 cents.

 

[chrisyuk]

come on sawyer, answer the question..........

....... how many fights have you got into and started and finished with a kick ? cos it just don't happen. i've fought countless times now and unlike most not drunken idiots, i've mixed it up with men that are paid to talk the ' universal language ' of violence (i don't speak any other tongue but EVERYONE understands a smack in the mouth) these men are paid because of their abilites, same as me. some are trained in karate, kung fu and kick boxing - but they all punch and don't kick ! the post about range is valid, but to gain this you can only really extend your arms, which keeps em at mid (punching) range, and for kicks ya gotta be at long range......

 

[theken206]

"Quote:
only because I consider the whole human cockfighting concept to be ridiculous-most of them are just dumb brawlers-

Senator McCain, is that you? I'm curious, how many of these guys have you met?"

bwahahahaha!!! great response.



"....... how many fights have you got into and started and finished with a kick ? cos it just don't happen. i've fought countless times now and unlike most not drunken idiots, i've mixed it up with men that are paid to talk the ' universal language ' of violence (i don't speak any other tongue but EVERYONE understands a smack in the mouth) these men are paid because of their abilites, same as me. some are trained in karate, kung fu and kick boxing - but they all punch and don't kick ! the post about range is valid, but to gain this you can only really extend your arms, which keeps em at mid (punching) range, and for kicks ya gotta be at long range......"

thanx man, I havent laughed that hard in a LONG time.

So does the goon meathead bouncer I put down with one well placed leg kick and a straight left not count??

"I've seen black belts, MMA guys kick at their opponents in those UFC fights... They look retarded (ever noticed that?) - and it NEVER has the 'devastating effect' it's supposed to... IMO, that stuff is best left in the gym, or at the VERY least, until the very END of the fight... read: the kick is the fight-ender."

not really sure what you are saying here?? what do you mean by they look reatarded?? and "it NEVER has the 'devastating effect' it's supposed to" I can name a bunch fights that ended with all kinds of kicks, from spinning back kicks to the body to brutal KO's from headkicks and everything in between.

"Those of you that follow the sport more than I do remember one guy (English, I think), a UFC champion, but his supposed fighting ability didn't prevent him from getting knifed in a streetfight."

your talkin about lee muaray who is a notorious street fighter{a "legend" if you will in london} who was part of the securitas{splng} heist and is currently in jail in morroco for beating up a cop and drug related charges{where he holds a citezenship}. Real bad example dude. Lee got knifed along with another guy at a club by some "pikeys" supposedly becuase he pissed off some london mobster types.
It wasnt like some big brawl, the guy got stabbed in the heart and lungs multiple times and was left do die in a pool of his own blood.

 

[theken206]

also using UFC for all MMA related stuff and the whole human cockfighting thing tend to get under the skin of us MMAist as much as the whole anti gunners and "AW" hysteria does to RKBA advocates

 

[chrisyuk]

theken206, you are a lucky man. the meathead bouncer, took you to lightly and paid the price........ i saw a guy do the same and the big guy he kicked over fell on him and then punched, bit and butted the guy half to death before moaning he wouldn't be able to train legs that week. mr vandam/lee/norris was still asleep covered in claret minus one ear. oh, i'm in london and have met lee - he is a very capable man. when someone stabs you its a safe bet they know that they can't take care of ya with their bare hands.......

 

[theken206]

yeah that was pretty much his downfall. the same as many a man before him as well,samething that has allowed my 145 pounds soaking wet friend to open up mutliple cans of whoopass on many a big man who thought some scrawny little white kid cant fight.

very cool you have met lee

 

[chrisyuk]

i am also a scrawny little white kid !!!! 12 stone and 5ft 9 inch. they rarely see me coming !!!! thanks mate.

 

[Sawyer]

come on sawyer, answer the question..........

I have used my kicks to win fights, so it works for me. You believe that punching is the be all and end all of all possible blows, I didn't say that a person should fight with kicks exclusively- just that a surprise knee kick (if one has the training to use it correctly and effectively) is a very good technique to use.
knowing how to kick is quite useful-you have two legs, why would anyone throw away two weapons when they can be used to your advantage. As I said earlier, most people don't kick well, so they need to train, or just rely on their fists.
And as hard as it for you to believe Chris, a person that has the exact same punching/grappling ability as you, but also has kicking skills, has an advantage over you.