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http://www.adn.com/2010/05/31/1301997/dog-intervenes-in-grizzly-attack.html

Dog intervenes in grizzly attack, bear eventually shot


By LISA DEMER
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(05/31/10 19:33:46)

A long-time Alaskan says his dog probably saved his wife's life after a young grizzly bear charged her Sunday night by their home in the Eagle River canyon, near the nature center.

Michael Weiman, 64, scared the bear off with warning shots, then, when it returned, he shot and killed the bear, Anchorage police said.

Weiman said his wife, Marianne Hamilton, was walking their 10-year-old boxer, Mojabe, on an abandoned airstrip that's part of their property on Bear Ridge Circle. It's an area of big lots where homeowners are used to seeing a lot of wildlife, including moose and grizzly bears, he said. They had seen bigger grizzly earlier in the day on Sunday.

That evening, they were enjoying the sunshine. Around 9 p.m., Hamilton went to walk the dog.

"The dog stopped and wheeled around. Marianne turns around, and here comes a bear," Weiman said.

It was on the airstrip, in the open. Its ears were back, and it was coming at her, he said. "She kept remarking about the eyes, the eyes. The eyes were big and coming," Weiman said.

He heard her screaming, grabbed his .44 pistol, ran outside and saw the boxer "intervene and cut the bear off." Hamilton ran behind a pickup truck. The dog chased the bear across the road.

The bear turned toward the dog, and Weiman fired three shots into the ground next to the bear, each one closer, as he tells the story.

"Over the hill it went," he said. But as soon as they all got inside, the bear was back.

"The words I said were 'Hell no,' and I grabbed my .30-30," Weiman said.

He fired. "Very swiftly it was done and I'm not sorry," he said.

He said he's lived in Alaska 41 years, been a hunter all his life, but never hunted bears. He said he's a nature lover. That bear, though, was acting dangerously.

The grizzly was young and smallish, maybe 150 pounds, but its claws were 3-inches long and razor sharp.

He called 911 and Anchorage police officers came to his home and told him what he needed to do. He skinned the bear and will turn the hide in to the state Department of Fish and Game, which auctions the hides of bears killed in defense of life or property.

Residents of the area are used to seeing bears, most of which never cause a problem. Most people carry a gun or pepper spray when they are out walking in the spring and summer, Weiman said. But on Sunday, winds would have whipped spray into the user's eyes and the bear could have attacked, he said.

"People get so complacent and they think the bear is a little teddy bear. They aren't."
 
Firing "warning shots" is bad. Very bad. Either something is a threat or it isn't. If it is, kill it on the first encounter.

The call to 911? Why.

ETA: hopefully his wife is not so reckless next time and carries her own .44 mag.
 
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Firing "warning shots" is bad. Very bad. Either something is a threat or it isn't. If it is, kill it on the first encounter.

The call to 911? Why.

ETA: hopefully his wife is not so reckless next time and carries her own .44 mag.

Oh come on now...
 
Animals are different from humans. I personally believe that trying to scare off the animal (a threatened one at that) if being able to do so with rational sense and in a safe manner to you and others, is better than killing it.

However, warning shots at a person...that's a different story. Humans are/can be more dangerous and know what a gun means when they see it.
 
Firing "warning shots" is bad. Very bad. Either something is a threat or it isn't. If it is, kill it on the first encounter.

True for bad guys, not so much for curious young bears. For such a young animal, I believe warning shots were appropriate: if at all possible, you should attempt to scare away a threatening animal (unless it is obviously suffering rabies or some other sickness). After all, the animal is most likely thinking along the same lines as you - "Who is this, in my territory, threatening me?"

Now, if said animal was a fully grown, 1300 pound, 6 foot tall, snarling ball of I-am-coming-for-you, then those first three should have been into the bear.
 
What is amazing to me is that we're talking about an instance where not just one warning shot failed, but the guy emptied more than half his gun giving out warnings, just to have the animal, which had already shown that it was dangerous, return. I don't want to kill a peaceable animal either, but this wasn't a peaceable animal, and it showed it from the start. I see my human life preserving ammunition as more valuable than any animal. I guess that's just me.
 
I agree with you. But we also weren't there and don't know exactly what happened.

I also have never seen a wild bear, so I can't even make a real guess on what the bear was thinking, either.

However, I don't see why he shot at it after getting inside. What was the point of that? They made it to safety. Unless it came up to the house trying to get inside, I think he killed it for no reason.
 
Well we don't need to have been there to know a few things. We already know the bear got close to the man's wife and his dog, and then got aggressive towards both. That tells us all we need to know as far as "what the bear was thinking."

I saw a few bears in the california mountains and they ran away the second they detected us from several hundred yards away. I wanted to get a closer view but good for all that we didn't get the chance. That is a bear that has a proper view of humans. I learned that that behavior told us a lot about those bears' familiarity with humans. The rule is that the more a bear gets "comfortable" with humans, the closer it is to the end of it's life. That may sound mean, but human life matters more. Yes it would be nice to live in a nicey nice world where we can feed bears from our cars, and wave to them when we go out to get our morning paper, but humans have got to stop humanizing animals in this way.

He shot it after getting inside because the bear displayed aggressive action #2.
 
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Let's see...

A Grizzley bear attacks or chases my wife. I fire "warning shots" into the ground and it leaves, for a while.

I get myself and mine into the house and then the grizzley bear comes back.

That'd be a bear rug in my neighborhood.

The reason is?

Might not be so lucky next time.

There ain't gonna be no next time!
 
Its ears were back, and it was coming at her, he said. "She kept remarking about the eyes, the eyes. The eyes were big and coming," Weiman said.

That alone tells you these people know bears. I'd say it was a good shoot. The shots drove it off, so he gave the bear a chance and yet it came back - probably for the dog, but it came back...

They're hungry right now and bad tempered. In another month the berries will be in and then the salmon and there will be few problems until October, when they're hungry again.
 
Hey Kodiak, since you're up there in possibly our coolest state, and since we're talking about bears, how long since you've personally seen a bear either on your property or in/near your city? Common or rare where you're at?
 
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I haven't seen a bear since last fall. In another month I'll see them nearly every day. I see them in my yard, on the hill above my house and sometimes a half dozen or more at a time in the creek below my house. I take lots of pictures and video, sometimes from very close range. I always carry pepper spray and usually a shotgun as well, but I never have a problem because they're on the salmon when they're down here. I leave them alone in spring and fall.

Picture below taken near my house from a range of 15 yards. The bear approached me, not t'other way around - but he's fishing and pretending he doesn't see me. Safe - but I'm holding pepper spray in one hand and the camera in the other in case he changes his mind.

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He should have showed his head to show the bear he's not a threat and then give it a chance to back off right?

I don't really know what your issue is, but yeah, bears will almost always back down if you stand your ground. That's exactly what happened here after the guy fired the shots - note the "ears down" description which means it was a serious incident. Yet, the guy fired a couple of shots at the ground and the bear departed. The bear then came back, and the guy had enough so he shot it.

I don't know what would have happened if the woman had stood her ground instead of running, but her "ears down" description doesn't bode well so it sounds like she knows enough about bears to recognize that signal and did the right thing. She went to cover. The dog intervened and saved her a$$ - good dog!

After your comments in the other thread, I suspect if you lived here you'd shoot the first grizzly you encountered and if there were witnesses, you'd regret it. You're not allowed to shoot every grizzly that woofs at you.

Bears are not velociraptors.
 
These are people who see and deal with bears on a regular basis. I'm sure firing warning shots have worked in the past. Unfortunately, this time the bear wasn't that lucky.
 
Don't forget that he could fire those warning shots as there was a dog out there to keep the bear off of him. The dog gave him options, including trying to warn the bear off.
 
Two griz stories, or bad reporting?

I read this story the other day, and the version I read had the guy shooting the griz nine times with a .45. I am goint to look for the story I read and post a link. The stoy I read mentioned some place with igloo in the name, and it was in/near Denali National Park. But it had a woman who was charged, and a guy killing it with nine 45 shots.
 
I read this story the other day, and the version I read had the guy shooting the griz nine times with a .45. I am goint to look for the story I read and post a link. The stoy I read mentioned some place with igloo in the name, and it was in/near Denali National Park. But it had a woman who was charged, and a guy killing it with nine 45 shots.

You forgot the option for proper reading skills. The story you read the other day was about younger hikers in Denali and no dog. The shooter apparently emptied his gun in the incident. This story is from Kodiak and is about and older couple and their dog dealing with a grizzly outside their home where warning shots were first used and then the later the bear was killed.
 
Firing "warning shots" is bad. Very bad. Either something is a threat or it isn't. If it is, kill it on the first encounter.

I'm in agreement with zoidberg523. With human attackers, presenting the gun shows the availability of lethal force. If that doesn't deter them, use it. But animals are different. Loud noises and dirt flying up in front of their face may (usually does) scare them off.

In this case, it obviously worked. It just seems that the bear had a lowsy memory, and that later cost him his life.

Now, if said animal was a fully grown, 1300 pound, 6 foot tall, snarling ball of I-am-coming-for-you, then those first three should have been into the bear

This I also agree with. Just as with an imminent threat from a human attacker, when there is no time/chance for a display of lethal force capability to discourage the threat, you immediately use lethal force.
 
Boxers are my breed of choice. They're gentle with children and good protectors of the family.

I remember reading that Boxers were actually used to hunt bears. It was good that the dogs natural instinct kicked in.

The dog deserves an extra special treat. Maybe something along the lines of a steak from the carcass of that dead bear.

:)
 
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