Video: why you shouldn’t use birdshot on a charging grizzly bear

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This is crazy. Watch the video.

Could have ended up way worse if the bear hadn’t stopped.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ment-mother-grizzly-bear-charges-husband.html


Terrified wife captures moment her husband shoots giant grizzly bear only for it to get back up and keep CHARGING him, as he runs for his life

By Dailymail.com EDT 24 Oct 2018


Canadian officials are investigating a horrific standoff that led to a man shooting a charging grizzly bear in his front yard.




 
He did pretty well, standing his ground and shooting rather than trying to run.

This is also an example of why you shouldn't shoot something just once if it is really big and scary and trying to kill you. If something that dangerous needs shooting then it needs shooting a lot.

From the article, it sounds like he may have used two shots trying to scare it off which may have left him just the one. If so, then this is also a good example of why you shouldn't waste your ammunition making noise if there's the possibility you will need it shortly.
 
Nope, he did well with what he had when it happend.

You dont get to choose when a Bear charges you or any other majorly catastrophic happening.

I knew a guy in Deering, Walter Outwater, Jr. and he was drinking and Geese hunting one Spring, caught quite a few birds and fell asleep in his blind. I heard story when he came home to Deering (I was there buying fuel) and he told us a Bear had woken him up in the blind, and he had ''blown it away'', and basically up and left for home he was so freaked out.
Since his blind was about 2 miles from my tent we went over and sure enough a 7 or so foot long Grizz had his throat and the back side of his head splayed open. Hadn't gone 2 feet, and that was likely just the way he fell.
Walters 2 steel shot had just continued on as a slug apon exit.

On a personal note, I put 2 shots into every Grizz. Everyone, no matter how drop dead bang flop it looks like, shoot them twice.
 
Nope, he did well with what he had when it happend.

You dont get to choose when a Bear charges you or any other majorly catastrophic happening.

I knew a guy in Deering, Walter Outwater, Jr. and he was drinking and Geese hunting one Spring, caught quite a few birds and fell asleep in his blind. I heard story when he came home to Deering (I was there buying fuel) and he told us a Bear had woken him up in the blind, and he had ''blown it away'', and basically up and left for home he was so freaked out.
Since his blind was about 2 miles from my tent we went over and sure enough a 7 or so foot long Grizz had his throat and the back side of his head splayed open. Hadn't gone 2 feet, and that was likely just the way he fell.
Walters 2 steel shot had just continued on as a slug apon exit.

On a personal note, I put 2 shots into every Grizz. Everyone, no matter how drop dead bang flop it looks like, shoot them twice.

He made noises but then chose to go back out and shoot which prompted the charge, so he did have a choice.

He could have also done if from where his wife was standing on the porch too.
 
The article gives the impression he really had no intention of shooting it when he went out. He apparently uses the gun as a noisemaker to chase them away.

Am I missing something?

It looks like he was inside and went out to confront the bear. Now maybe I’m missing the point but WHY?

If the bears were outside and not damaging anything, then why n9t leave them alone. Was it really necessary to risk being attacked and possibly having to harm the bears?

Plus it seems that going out with the wrong ammo made him basically defenseless.

Maybe I’m wrong but I’d have got slugs or at least buckshot, or better yet a rifle and simply waited and watched. I’d have left the bears alone unless they came up onto the poarch.

So could someone with more experience with bears tell me what I’m missing that what he did made any sense?
 
If it was me, I would have left them alone and kept an eye on them; they are beautiful animals to watch and I probably would have shot of a full SD card of photos. However, if I wanted them to leave, a few rounds into the ground about twenty feet in front of them would most likely get them to leave, then watch. Since that area is grizzly country, most likely when they go out they keep their eyes peeled for the possibility of bears coming onto their property (and hopefully armed). Going out to yell to get it to keep moving and doing it down on the land fairly close, to me, is ludicrous. Another round into the ground would be better than a human yelling.

I've seen dozens of Grizzlies in northern WY/southern MT from great distances and love to watch them...SAFELY from a distance. I have come across two grizzlies with hiking and had to use bear spray (cause I'm here at 5AM typing shows it does work), but I was also armed at all times with more than birdshot. And when I have used bear spray, I did not follow the bear to give him/her another shot of spray to keep him/her moving, I went as fast as I could in the opposite direction.

He was lucky, the bear appears to be lucky. I say that only cause if the bear had caught him and tore him up or killed him, the bear would have been tracked and killed, all because he did, what I would consider to be an unnecessary stupid action.
 
My take on it is why did he go outside in the first place? If he wanted to scare them away I would have fired the gun off the porch and that would have been sufficient. I hate to say it but this may have been a case of "hey honey look how manly i am" I have hunted over half my life and no way in hell am i going off my porch with a 12ga shotgun when a bear is less than 100yards away! Besides who carries anything less than a 45-70 GG with a tube magazine full 405gr FN bullets in grizzly country anyways? :)

I do give him props for fighting back!
 
My local game warden suggested #8 shot in a .12 gauge for black bears in the backside if they are in the garbage to run them off. That being said I wouldn't get that close and I keep a shotgun loaded with two rounds of #8 followed up by slugs in case he charges like this. No way am I getting that close to a bear. He's really lucky the bear stopped her charge long enough for him to get away.
 
Let me get this right, he knew they were outside and he went out there to chase them away?

Sounds like a Darwin Award contestant. Lucky for him he is still able to pollute the gene pool.

At my Sisters house we go inside when bears stop by the house.
 
You do when you were inside and decided to go outside. Watch them, and if they are still posing a threat you can call the animal control folks

I agree you leave them alone.

I'm not so sure about animal control though. In a perfect world that would be the best choice. But if they're actually a threat then you may need to defend yourself or property if they start damaging the house as animal control may not have enough time to arrive. I guess it's another reason why we have shotguns and rifles when we live out in the country.
 
That is scarry as hell. Everybody note the speed of the bear? If he'd missed that shot, he'd be dead or mangled badly.

Am I missing something?

It looks like he was inside and went out to confront the bear. Now maybe I’m missing the point but WHY?

If the bears were outside and not damaging anything, then why n9t leave them alone........

So could someone with more experience with bears tell me what I’m missing that what he did made any sense?
I like critters, and a big part of my education and career revolves around managing habitat for them.

Killing an animal or scaring it away isn't usually something I advocate when the animal is minding it's own business. However, there is a philosophy out there that when a predator loses its fear of humans, that behavior can be learned by its offspring and proliferated in the species. This is a detriment to the species overall because it will breed conflict between man and animals, and lead to unessecary future deaths on both sides and public outcry to do something about it. Typically that something is destructive to the animals. So this philosophy states that if an animal shows no fear of man and is dangerous, you serve the species by removing it from the breeding population. I tend to agree when I consider the learning capacity of many predators.

However, another tactic is relocation coupled with hazing. You literally capture an animal and scare the crap out of it with loud noises and flashing lights. With some animals it works, others are cranky enough they just don't care. Steve Irwin (the Crocodile Hunter) experimented with this on crocodiles in Australia. They would trap an animal and then drive around it with boats rather fast blowing on whistles and shinning it with spotlights. The idea is the same as Pavlov's dogs. The animal associates humans with extreme stress and fear.

My personal opinion is that this guy made a major mistake going outside. If you have a reoccurring issue with bears setting up loudspeakers to blast it with annoyingly loud noise or music will probably cause it to find your property too annoying to prowl. Left to nose around your property without harassment, a gutsy keystone predator like a bear will likely end up on your porch in fairly short order. It's just curiosity. However, bear spray from a second story window may then drive it off.

My sisters father in law put up three posts and three bird feeders before he realized the black bear damage wasn't going to stop. Removing food sources is key also.

I feel the bear in the video should have been driven off by other means that didn't involve injuring it, because again it solves future problems and helps the species, rather than allowing it to wander off and charge someone else due to it's now injured and likely defensive disposition. Or, kill it outright.

Birdshot in bears is so silly, I can't help but wonder if this guy will end up with a stupid human award at some point.

Bears are often brazen and are programmed genetically not to take crap. If they kill something and eat it, it's only a benefit. They are their own nuclear deterrent and typically for them there's no downside to dropping a bomb.

Drive it away without injury, or kill it with an appropriate firearm gets my vote. It's hard saying that because I really do care about animals. The bottom line here though is that birdshot is not appropriate. That guy just won the lottery. I wonder if he realizes it.
 
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All I know is the wife is a horrible videographer, about made me sick.
Dude is not all that smart, shoot from the deck! He's lucky Darwin didn't win this time.
 
I've seen birdshot fail to anchor ground squirrels at distances I have inside my house far too many times to trust it against anything larger. I wouldn't use birdshot for self defense against a Shih Tzu, let alone a man or a grizzly.
 
My local game warden suggested #8 shot in a .12 gauge for black bears in the backside if they are in the garbage to run them off. That being said I wouldn't get that close and I keep a shotgun loaded with two rounds of #8 followed up by slugs in case he charges like this. No way am I getting that close to a bear. He's really lucky the bear stopped her charge long enough for him to get away.
Now not being funny here but how well would this go over out of season or non legal weapon for the bear? I would think that one would be charged with poaching or whatnot if the bear wasn't attacking you or a pet.
 
That is scarry as hell. Everybody note the speed of the bear? If he'd missed that shot, he'd be dead or mangled badly.


I like critters, and a big part of my education and career revolves around managing habitat for them.

Killing an animal or scaring it away isn't usually something I advocate when the animal is minding it's own business. However, there is a philosophy out there that when a predator loses its fear of humans, that behavior can be learned by its offspring and proliferated in the species. This is a detriment to the species overall because it will breed conflict between man and animals, and lead to unessecary future deaths on both sides and public outcry to do something about it. Typically that something is destructive to the animals. So this philosophy states that if an animal shows no fear of man and is dangerous, you serve the species by removing it from the breeding population. I tend to agree when I consider the learning capacity of many predators.

However, another tactic is relocation coupled with hazing. You literally capture an animal and scare the crap out of it with loud noises and flashing lights. With some animals it works, others are cranky enough they just don't care. Steve Irwin (the Crocodile Hunter) experimented with this on crocodiles in Australia. They would trap an animal and then drive around it with boats rather fast blowing on whistles and shinning it with spotlights.

My personal opinion is that this guy made a major mistake going outside. If you have a reoccurring issue with bears setting up loudspeakers to blast it with annoyingly loud noise or music will probably cause it to find your property too annoying to prowl. Left to nose around your property without harassment, a gutsy keystone predator like a bear will likely end up on your porch in fairly short order. It's just curiosity. However, bear spray from a second story window may then drive it off.

My sisters father in law put up three posts and three bird feeders before he realized the black bear damage wasn't going to stop. Removing food sources is key also.

I feel the bear in the video should have been driven off by other means that didn't involve injuring it, because again it solves future problems and helps the species, rather than allowing it to wander off and charge someone else due to it's now injured and likely defensive disposition. Or, kill it outright.

Birdshot in bears is so silly, I can't help but wonder if this guy will end up with a stupid human award at some point.

Bears are often brazen and are programmed genetically not to take crap. If they kill something and eat it, it's only a benefit. They are their own nuclear deterrent and typically for them there's no downside to dropping a bomb.

Drive it away without injury, or kill it with an appropriate firearm gets my vote. It's hard saying that because I really do care about animals. The bottom line here though is that birdshot is not appropriate. That guy just won the lottery. I wonder if he realizes it.
Being a lifelong hunter i too have a very large passion for animals and not just to take their life. I hate watching stuff suffer, wounded, etc. I instantly thought man she must have took a full choke of birdshot to the leg to roll like that and now she will go lay somewhere and suffer, get infection, etc and die a possible slow death.
 
Last summer we went to the Adirondacks on vacation. We woke up one morning to find a black bear in the backyard of the house we were renting. Going outside to confront it, even armed, didn't enter into my thought process. It left on it's own and we didn't see it again. If I were to leave the safety of the house to confront it, it certainly wouldn't be armed with birdshot.
 
My take on it is why did he go outside in the first place? If he wanted to scare them away I would have fired the gun off the porch and that would have been sufficient. I hate to say it but this may have been a case of "hey honey look how manly i am" I have hunted over half my life and no way in hell am i going off my porch with a 12ga shotgun when a bear is less than 100yards away! Besides who carries anything less than a 45-70 GG with a tube magazine full 405gr FN bullets in grizzly country anyways? :)

Hey ohi, I do .... My GG is always just loaded with Hornady 350 Gr. but loaded hot..... Bears have come at me, but i have been fortunate enough to have not had to shoot one...... me thinks he should have stayed inside....
 
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