And the Purist Scream
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The Sarge
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OK...maybe on am too old to follow. You ask what I would do and I answered. Now I am not sure what you are saying? Now you want me to mount a scope on a Lee? If it is yours do whatever you would like and you will not hear a peep from me.
Did I loose you some where Sarge ? the 2nd set & 3rd set of photos are the same rifle........
I will tell you this, she can shoot better than I can that`s for damn sure...............
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303tom
I look at it in this way. If the metal on the rifle has not been altered it could be a good project to restore to military dress.
I have 4 Enfields, 2 No.1s and 2 No.4s that I have restored.
Now if the metal has been altered, go sporter.
Back in the 80's you almost had to give away Enfields. Now days nice ones are starting at $200 and go up. But most sporter Enfields will only bring about $200. But then again, to each his own.
Here is a British P14 that I picked up last month for $125.
A parts rifle in military dress sell for $400 or so and a nice one sells for $500 to $700.
A good stock will cost me right at $100 and then about another $50 for missing small parts. So I will end up with $275 tied up in a $400 rifle.
But then I get more joy from restoring a rifle. Others may get more joy from building a sporter.
I have about 20 project rifles right now and just spent $105 for three bolt bodies I needed for three of them.
I also have a cool Flobert shotgun barreled action with a broken musket style stock that I need to restore.
I look at it in this way. If the metal on the rifle has not been altered it could be a good project to restore to military dress.
I have 4 Enfields, 2 No.1s and 2 No.4s that I have restored.
Now if the metal has been altered, go sporter.
Back in the 80's you almost had to give away Enfields. Now days nice ones are starting at $200 and go up. But most sporter Enfields will only bring about $200. But then again, to each his own.
Here is a British P14 that I picked up last month for $125.
A parts rifle in military dress sell for $400 or so and a nice one sells for $500 to $700.
A good stock will cost me right at $100 and then about another $50 for missing small parts. So I will end up with $275 tied up in a $400 rifle.
But then I get more joy from restoring a rifle. Others may get more joy from building a sporter.
I have about 20 project rifles right now and just spent $105 for three bolt bodies I needed for three of them.
I also have a cool Flobert shotgun barreled action with a broken musket style stock that I need to restore.
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The Sarge
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LOL....yup I fell out of the bed of the truck I guess. The op started this thread talking about folks who criticize those that modify/restore/change milsurp weapons. How they were hypocrites etc. Then you are posting about what you did to your weapon.303tom said:
So I think I will just lay here in the grass on the side of the road admiring the sky.
I am clueless how your question/post relate?
Oh well. Mama tells me supper is ready.
You got most of it right Sarge, Gunny was talking about Purist, which is partly ME, the first photo I posted was of a No4 that will never have anything done to it but SHOT. The 2nd photo is of a No4 just the way I bought it, & with no chance of putting it back in her Military Dress because someone cut her bayonet lugs off, so the best I could do was put her in a new dress, and I will tell you what, she shoots better than I can.
The Sarge
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Now I got it and thank you friend!
Back on topic....and I am being repetitive here.
I buy many MilSurps. 2 or 3 a week. I kid you not. I totally tear them down. Repair whatever needs repaired. Replace whatever needs replaced. Sand stain and seal the wood. I never remove cartouches etc. They come out with their historical significance intact and are ready to go to work. All my guns get rented out to visitors hog hunting here at the ranch. Yes I have scoped Lee Enfields
So my MilSurps are working guns. They all earn their keep. Most are bought buy these visitors who love the guns and want to take them home. Without exception they all respect the work to return the gun to it's issued condition (or close to it).....
So I also fail to understand anybody
A) Complaining what somebody else does to their property.
B) Feeling that a rifle that is a sad state of disrepair has some sort of historical value advantage above one returned to its issued state. You just have a old rifle beat to heck IMHO.
C) See (A)
D) See (A)
Back on topic....and I am being repetitive here.
I buy many MilSurps. 2 or 3 a week. I kid you not. I totally tear them down. Repair whatever needs repaired. Replace whatever needs replaced. Sand stain and seal the wood. I never remove cartouches etc. They come out with their historical significance intact and are ready to go to work. All my guns get rented out to visitors hog hunting here at the ranch. Yes I have scoped Lee Enfields
So my MilSurps are working guns. They all earn their keep. Most are bought buy these visitors who love the guns and want to take them home. Without exception they all respect the work to return the gun to it's issued condition (or close to it).....
So I also fail to understand anybody
A) Complaining what somebody else does to their property.
B) Feeling that a rifle that is a sad state of disrepair has some sort of historical value advantage above one returned to its issued state. You just have a old rifle beat to heck IMHO.
C) See (A)
D) See (A)
Hey Gunny, I will give you your money back on the Pattern 14..........That is one of the two Enfield configurations that I don`t have, the other being the Pattern 17. O by the way, neat looking old Flobert, hope she turns out nice.
The Sarge
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Some of my working MilSurps....I have dozens...all same shape and treatment. All fire accurately and very reliable. Let the purist have at it.
Yugo M48 8mm
Chinese T53
Mosin
M24/47 Mauser
Yugo M48 8mm
Chinese T53
Mosin
M24/47 Mauser
The Sarge
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And for 303Tom who had patience with my old butt......
One of my .303's
One of my .303's
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I don't mind sporterizing as long as it wasn't something rare or you don't make an abomination like this!
The Sarge
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If it isn't yours why do you care?
I am genuinely curious why you would give a rats butt.
I am genuinely curious why you would give a rats butt.
I just had a thought, do you think that Rats say ? I don`t give a humans butt...........
Fishslayer
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LOL I have my very first Penn Squidder fishing reel. It's around forty-ish years old. I was looking at it one time & reallized there was VERY little of the original reel left.
I'm in favor of buying a milsurp in as close to issue condition as possible and keeping it that way. I also believe that a certain amount of refinishing is ok as long as it is keeping with the original intent of the weapons use. There is a particular schedule of maintenance that was expected for these weapons, some to include oiling and shellacking the stock. If you know what arsenal specs were and can follow those specs, than it is well within keeping the weapon original. For my collection, I like them shootable and am not above replacing broken parts to get the gun in working order.
However, welcome to America and if you buy a rifle you can do whatever you want to it. If it brings more value to you, than it is worth it no matter what anyone says.
However, welcome to America and if you buy a rifle you can do whatever you want to it. If it brings more value to you, than it is worth it no matter what anyone says.
Cop Bob
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Here Here...Gunny... I'm in total agreement...
As far as the Rats... I try not to engage in the Whole Rat Race issue... For when it's over, Win or Lose... Your still a Rat....
As far as the Rats... I try not to engage in the Whole Rat Race issue... For when it's over, Win or Lose... Your still a Rat....
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