Anderson 9mm AR with red dot - a suitable "bug out" gun ???

[Hokkmike]

Local gun store has an Anderson 9mm carbine AR with e red dot sight. They want $650... (USED - but observably in good shape) Don't know how it shoots.

Their claim is that it is good up to 100 yards.

What do you think, would this be a suitable "bug out" gun for when laws are ignored completely?

 

[bfoosh006]

Good enough for the most part. However, I would prefer a 5.56 AR

The 9MM has about the same drop as a 22LR at 100yds. Much past that and it tends to drop very fast. ( Why I would prefer a 5.56 AR )
Hardly any kick from them, and the added velocity will "extend" the typical 9MM bullets terminal effective range.

Please bear in mind, it is still a pistol round, regardless of the added velocity, so don't expect the 9MM bullet to perform like a rifle bullet.. ( Again another reason I would prefer a 5.56 )

I "think" a bonded bullet tended to shoot tighter groups. I use the Fed 135gr Tactical Bonded load, best accuracy at 100rds.

FWIW... here are my velocities from my 16" 9MM PCC.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/1..._OEM_rds___52_more_added_May_7th__/16-712312/

 

[Mick Boon]

I agree with the bloke above. 9mm is great for a pistol, very little else.

 

[Lefty38-55]

I for sure not want to get stung by a 9mm out of a PCC, that's like a 357 at the muzzle, with the longer carbine barrel! I went a different route ... foldable KelTec Sub2000, with Sig mag catch it feeds CZ mags. So with a pre-ban 22-round in the grip and mag carriers for two 16-rounders affixed, there's 54 at the ready ... and then there's the carried CZ75 pistol too, along with its own cadre of mags.

Now I certainly get it - those opining for a 5.56mm - but if there were a need to be a bit more discrete - versus looking like carrying - the PCC with backup pistol using the same mags ain't a bad option!

Assuming a 2-1/2" sight height, reddot etc., sighting in 115-grn 9mms in for 25-yards zero and you'll be a tad high (`3/4") @ 50 and ~3-1/2" low @ 100Y. I can live with that! Just providing an option ... don't flame me, LOL!

 

[C-grunt]

A 9mm PCC is a great gun. It's not a rifle but it's nothing to discount either. The subguns have been successfully fighting wars for a long time now.

As far as the actual gun you are looking at? No idea. I didn't know Anderson made a 9mm.

 

[Hokkmike]

A 9mm PCC is a great gun. It's not a rifle but it's nothing to discount either. The subguns have been successfully fighting wats for a long time now.

As far as the actual gun you are looking at? No idea. I didn't know Anderson made a 9mm.

They don't - the dealer told me there was some kind of adapter in the receiver.... It is above my technical experience.

 

[ms6852]

I'm an old fart that finds a 22lr suitable for bugout with a high capacity 50 or 70 round mag drum for my 10/22 or my CMR and PMR 30 in 22 mag. So to answer your question, yes it is a good bugout firearm if you like it. Kel-tec has a nice bugout pistol in 5.56 as well. https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/pistols/plr16/

 

[LiveLife]

9mm PCC ... I didn't know Anderson made a 9mm.

They do, the AM-9. Here's a review with red dot sight - https://www.athlonoutdoors.com/article/anderson-manufacturing-am-9-pistol/

dealer told me there was some kind of adapter in the receiver.... It is above my technical experience.

9mm PCC that uses AR lower either utilize mag block in the .223 mag well to accept Colt or Glock pattern 9mm magazines or are dedicated lowers made to work with Glock magazines. For reliable feeding, it's best to go with dedicated 9mm lowers made to work with Glock magazines.

If it's Anderson AM-9 with dedicated Glock magwell, used price is comparable to new Gen4 PSA 9mm PCC at $620 - https://palmettostatearmory.com/pa-...Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=cl

BTW, PSA Gen4 9mm PCC got "Best Entry Level PCC" on this 10 PCC comparison - https://thegunzone.com/best-9mm-carbines/

So perhaps you can use PSA PCC pricing of $620 to negotiate the price of used Anderson AM-9.

I have built several 9mm PCCs starting with using mag block to use Colt pattern stick magazines and migrated to dedicated Glock mag lowers for more reliable feeding. I even tested Endo Mag that uses regular .223 lower but converts Magpul PMags to 9mm magazines with built-in feed ramp/ejector but was about 95% reliable in feeding so I would only suggest Endo Mag for range use only.

My favorite and current accuracy test platform is Just Right Carbine with 1:16 twist rate barrel for accuracy (Most are 1:10) that produces 1.5" groups at 50 yards and 3.5" groups at 100 yards with 95/100 gr FMJ/RN pushed to around 1450-1500+ fps (There's a lot of bullet drop with heavier 124/147 gr bullets beyond 25 yards). 1.25" to 1.5" groups at 50 yards are likely your best group size attainable with more accurate ammunition.

Another reasons for choosing JR carbine was caliber conversions with modular magwell that utilize Glock, M&P and 1911 magazines to convert from 9mm to 40S&W and 45ACP - https://justrightcarbines.com/product/caliber-conversion-kit/?v=7516fd43adaa

If you want more compact carrying of PCC, JR carbine becomes take down model with use of Take Down Tube - https://justrightcarbines.com/product/takedown-tube/?v=7516fd43adaa

 

[LiveLife]

Anderson 9mm carbine AR ... $650 USED

What do you think, would this be a suitable "bug out" gun for when laws are ignored completely?

Another option for "bug out" carbine is Kel-tec Sub 2000 that takes Glock magazines. The folding design allows the Sub2000 to be carried inside even small backpacks for "bug out" situations and 33 round Glock magazines are readily available.

There's $100 rebate til 3/24 and Gunprime is selling for $349 (So $249 after $100 rebate from Kel-tec) - https://gunprime.com/products/kel-tec-sub-2000-gen-2-9mm-glock-17-keltec/?gd

 

[12Bravo20]

Some manufacturers do make dedicated Colt style lowers too. My CMMG lower is a dedicated Colt style lower and it has been very reliable for me,

 

[Lo-Profile]

I bought one that uses Glock magazines that my wife shoots. Goes well with her G19 with interchangeable magazines

 

[PO2Hammer]

The AR9s are lighter, but I like my Ruger PCC a lot.
Most accurate bullets so far are the 124/125 XTP/HAP, both will shoot under 2” at 100 yards with a red dot or scope.
Other jacketed bullets are under 3”, some plated about the same, and cast bullets looking more like 4”.

My Ruger has been 100%, I chose it for its reliability reputation. It has a feed ramp just like a 9mm pistol.
Stock AR9s with Colt pattern magazines were never designed for feeding JHPs. They have a multi piece feed ramp system. Glock pattern ARs seem to feed hollow points more reliably.

My old Oly carbine with Sten mags only Fed FMJ reliably.

My Marlin, old Ruger PC-9, new PCC all feed anything, those all have pistol like feed ramps.

 

[PO2Hammer]

If I could ignore certain laws or get a stamp, I would find a pistol barrel for my carbine, 8” with a linear comp would work.

 

[Walkalong]

We don't do SHTF etc, perhaps try it again from a different angle.