mlw332
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i sure wish it was only 60 here. Its 100 for the permit and 32 for fingerprints and background check.
which is only good for 4 years
which is only good for 4 years
Angry, but refusing to get 'their' license
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MT GUNNY
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Maine is a Open Carry state!!
IA_farmboy
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It's more like, "The Second Amendment of our Bill of Rights is my concealed weapons permit!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClPNGQbZQBU&feature=related
Another video of a Ted Nugent rant where he talks of getting sworn as a law enforcement agent to remove any doubt of his right to defend himself anywhere in the country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv5HJkp5sY0&NR=1
While it may not be an option for your wedding it may be worth it in the future to find a way to become a law enforcement agent like Mr. Nugent. I know that's an "out there" suggestion but certainly an option. I've heard the local police advertise on occasion to recruit reserve police officers, I've considered it.
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Total permit fee out here in EL-Paso county Colorado is $250, consider yourself lucky.
Here in the People's Republic of NJ you can't get a license for any amount of money. Of course if you are among the privileged 'connected' to the Judiciary or Police you might have a shot, but it's not guarantee either way. I know many people who want to carry but cannot.
bdickens
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Yeah, I am telling you to suck it up. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. Here in Texas, the standard licence fee is $140. But I forgot to mention thet that's after you take the State-mandated class, the going rate for which is around $135 (plus or minus). And then you've got to wait 60 days. Or more, because the DPS is backlogged.
Do I like that? Is that fair? No. But guess what, life isn't fair. You have to decide where your priorities are. Do you want to protect yourself and stay law-abiding, or do you want to run around in a snit about how your 2A rights are being violated? I made my choice.
ojibweindian
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Me? I'd do what my conscience dictates is the best course of action. I'll leave it at that.
ShooterMcGavin
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Great advice. We should just suck it up regarding any gun laws/restrictions and shut up.
I did not post this in order to have a competition for who has it worse in regards to gun restrictions. I know that I do not have it as bad as a lot of people. I should have posted this in the first place: There are many of us who have a gun situation worse than mine, and I honestly feel for you!
If each of us just goes along with what s/he is asked to do in order to retain our rights, because somebody "over there" has it much worse, then we will lose this right. There will be no complaining over the "minor" infringements. When there is silence, the restrictions only get greater and greater.
Since I don't have a really bad situation here, I will let this lie.
Sadly I think you'll find little sympathy here. Most people, even gun owners, seem to subscribe on some level to the "professional enough" argument and support some level of licensing and testing. I think its a shame that the low income people that probably need to carry the most are priced out of it but historically thats gun control.
Old Dog
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OP states
I'm sorry, but I just can't understand why you would be angry about one state charging you for a license when you've previously obtained licenses from two other states. If you were going to "take a stand" ... then that ship has since sailed.
But then admits he has paid fees for two other states' licenses.
I'm sorry, but I just can't understand why you would be angry about one state charging you for a license when you've previously obtained licenses from two other states. If you were going to "take a stand" ... then that ship has since sailed.
bdickens
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There was once a little bird who stayed behind when the rest of the flock flew south for the winter. He liked it up where he was; the countryside was beautiful and the worms were plentiful. One day, he hears that a big ice storm was coming. The little bird thought to himself, "I better fly south and try to catch up to my friends before the ice storm gets here." So he took off and started flying south.
However, the little bird had stayed up north too long and he couldn't fly fast enough. He got caught in the ice storm. His wings began to ice over and they froze up. The litle bird fell down out of the sky onto the frozen ground of a cow pasture. He thought, "oh, no. I waited too long to fly south and now I'm going to freeze to death."
Just as the little bird thought he was going to die, a cow came along and defecated right on top of him. Well, the warm cow pie started to thaw the little bird out. "Hooray, I'm going to live," thought the little bird. He struggled to get out from under the cow pie so he could take off again and fly south.
But a cat happened to be walking by and saw the little bird struggling. The cat went over and helped dig the little bird out. Then the cat killed him and ate him.
The moral of the story is that not everyone who takes a crap on you is your enemy and not everyone who gets you out of crap is your friend.
However, the little bird had stayed up north too long and he couldn't fly fast enough. He got caught in the ice storm. His wings began to ice over and they froze up. The litle bird fell down out of the sky onto the frozen ground of a cow pasture. He thought, "oh, no. I waited too long to fly south and now I'm going to freeze to death."
Just as the little bird thought he was going to die, a cow came along and defecated right on top of him. Well, the warm cow pie started to thaw the little bird out. "Hooray, I'm going to live," thought the little bird. He struggled to get out from under the cow pie so he could take off again and fly south.
But a cat happened to be walking by and saw the little bird struggling. The cat went over and helped dig the little bird out. Then the cat killed him and ate him.
The moral of the story is that not everyone who takes a crap on you is your enemy and not everyone who gets you out of crap is your friend.
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What makes you think that you have Second Amendment rights? Just because it SAYS you have them doesn't mean that it's true! Just ask SCOTUS...which ruled that the FEDERAL Constitution does NOT limit state action. Now, SCOTUS has ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment DOES limit state action on rights INCORPORATED into it.
Unfortunately, the Second Amendment has YET to be incorporated into the Fourteenth Amendment. Perhaps Heller vs. DC will remedy this situation. If so, then many gun laws will disappear (over time as they are challenged). But...that would be rocking the boat, so I am not holding my breath.
So, as it stands now, states are free to pass laws that violate the Second Amendment. Of course, they're limited by their state constitutions...not that it stops them from violating those too. Here's Virginia's Section 13:
http://legis.state.va.us/Laws/search/Constitution.htm#1S13
"Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power.
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."
You'd think that "shall not be infringed" means that you can carry how you want...but apparently it does not. I am not familiar with the case law surrounding this issue. Perhaps the lack of laws regarding open carry satisfies the requirement.
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I'm surprised no one's mentioned this already...Historically, wasn't the purpose of the best man the protection of the groom?
The way I understand it, the best man tradition came from a time when "stealing" a bride was common place. the Best Man was generally a trusted ally of the groom, there to defend him from the bride's angry family, through force if necessary. Though the role of defender seems to have been set aside, the best man is still an integral part of marriage ceremonies.
Does a gun in your car enable you to complete your duty to the groom?
The way I understand it, the best man tradition came from a time when "stealing" a bride was common place. the Best Man was generally a trusted ally of the groom, there to defend him from the bride's angry family, through force if necessary. Though the role of defender seems to have been set aside, the best man is still an integral part of marriage ceremonies.
Does a gun in your car enable you to complete your duty to the groom?
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bdickens said:
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Or here(Illinois) where you can't CCW at all...
IA_farmboy
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I think this puts a lot of perspective on this discussion. You should be glad you have these choices:
- Go unarmed
- Open carry
- Get a concealed weapons permit
As opposed to Illinois where your <ahem> choice is:
- Go unarmed
Don't forget the choice I pointed out earlier, become a law enforcement officer. Federal law protects your <ahem> right to arm yourself in every state if you are a recognized LEO.
IA_farmboy
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I thought that historically the best man's duty was to provide the bride with children if the husband was unable. I believe this goes back to biblical times.
That discussion is probably best left for another time, in another thread, on another forum.
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Didn't Maine pass an Amendment to their Constitution which was intended to affirm an individual right to keep and bear arms? Something about the RKBA shall never be called into question?
Well, I guess it's only written on a mere piece of paper anyhow, so who cares?
Besides, it pobably doesn't apply to out-of-Staters with permits anyhow.
After all, the "full faith and credit" clause in the US Constitution is only a scribbling on a mere piece of paper, too.
And I don't recall reading anywhere as to which "arms" may be kept, be they bats or knives, or in what manner they may be carried, whether openly or in your hat.
But.
They're all just pieces of paper, so what the heck does it matter anyhow?
Well, I guess it's only written on a mere piece of paper anyhow, so who cares?
Besides, it pobably doesn't apply to out-of-Staters with permits anyhow.
After all, the "full faith and credit" clause in the US Constitution is only a scribbling on a mere piece of paper, too.
And I don't recall reading anywhere as to which "arms" may be kept, be they bats or knives, or in what manner they may be carried, whether openly or in your hat.
But.
They're all just pieces of paper, so what the heck does it matter anyhow?
RaspberrySurprise
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Just because he's paid for other licenses doesn't mean he loses the right to complain when he finds them to be not to his liking. If I kick you once and you don't complain doesn't mean you can't if I decide to kick you again.
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Revenue, Revenue, Revenue:
Of course they want to charge you a fee to let you exercise your rights in their state; Of course they want to charge you a fee for processing etc. Of course they want to make a little on the deal.
This is not a RKBA issue, this is a cheap issue. Get over it.
If you want to protest about RKBA, or get involved with real RKBA issues, then do so; doesn't seem to have mattered before you were inconvenienced by the state of Maine.
By the way; KY would charge at least 50 bucks.
I believe that CCW will become legal overnight in the UK when they figure out a way to tax it, and how much money there is to be made from the culture. Its' an art form here.
Pay up, chill out, and go in peace, or carry the weight of your convictions and carry (as has been suggested) anyway.
And Just to make it a religious discussion;
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars'.
May not be THR to be blunt, but it isn't so to waste others' time with a petty issue. Plenty of others have been polite and don't seem to be making an impression. RKBA is too important an issue to drag it around as a cloak for cheap.
TF
Of course they want to charge you a fee to let you exercise your rights in their state; Of course they want to charge you a fee for processing etc. Of course they want to make a little on the deal.
This is not a RKBA issue, this is a cheap issue. Get over it.
If you want to protest about RKBA, or get involved with real RKBA issues, then do so; doesn't seem to have mattered before you were inconvenienced by the state of Maine.
By the way; KY would charge at least 50 bucks.
I believe that CCW will become legal overnight in the UK when they figure out a way to tax it, and how much money there is to be made from the culture. Its' an art form here.
Pay up, chill out, and go in peace, or carry the weight of your convictions and carry (as has been suggested) anyway.
And Just to make it a religious discussion;
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars'.
May not be THR to be blunt, but it isn't so to waste others' time with a petty issue. Plenty of others have been polite and don't seem to be making an impression. RKBA is too important an issue to drag it around as a cloak for cheap.
TF
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I do not NEED to be licensed to carry. I can simply carry openly without any background check or fingerprinting, etc. However, I will then enter situations where I will piss people off, like this wedding.
Alright, you got me
In the past couple years, I have generally been in 3 states. I have gotten the licenses to CC in two (VT was the third). Well, it gets old, getting a new license for each state that I want to carry in. Can you not understand how a new fee for each state might get old? Maybe you can't. Ok, imagine that you are already against the idea of the state issuing a license to carry the gun under a shirt. How about now?Ok, point taken. Sometimes I get a little defensive. Sorry
I know about that very well. I agree, I'm surprised it took a while for that to come up.
You are right, and your point pisses me off, often.
To some degree I am.
I won't, and thanks. I will have to look into that. I'm not sure how I can make that work.
I agree, but don't get me started on that
Packman
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I just did some research and didn't find that.
http://www.aomdj.com/traditio.htm
Goes along with everything I've ever seen. Same reason I always put the girl on my left when walking or something. 1) strong hand free, and 2) that's the best way to open doors for her.
Sorry for the thread hijack, Shooter. Just putting stuff in perspective. Personally, I'd talk with the groom. You may find some take this stuff seriously. I don't know about the best man, but I know at least one member of the groomsmen at my sisters wedding were packing heat.
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No problem, Packman. I appreciate the informative sidebar.
When walking with a girl, I try to walk on the road-side, while she is further from the cars (she'd be on my right when walking with the flow of traffic). If we are on a sidewalk away from the street, I still tend to keep her to my right side. As people usually keep to the right when passing each other; this means she would be further from the reach of someone passing by.
Still, your point is certainly valid and something to think about in each situation.
When walking with a girl, I try to walk on the road-side, while she is further from the cars (she'd be on my right when walking with the flow of traffic). If we are on a sidewalk away from the street, I still tend to keep her to my right side. As people usually keep to the right when passing each other; this means she would be further from the reach of someone passing by.
Still, your point is certainly valid and something to think about in each situation.
fantacmet
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Hrm, annoyed that you care enough to protect the life of your brother and his wife. Sad state of affairs. BAAaaaa BAAaaaa
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You are calling me a sheep because I am annoyed at some of the laws?
Maybe one of us has an uncharacteristic definition of the term "sheep" as it relates to self defense (or maybe you are a troll)? Take it or leave it, here are some of my pseudo-definitions: 1. One who abhors vilence to the point of refusing to take steps to defend oneself. 2. Someone who believes that their safety will always (or as good as it matters) be ensured by another person/entity. 3. Someone who will not prepare for possible predatory situations based on the belief that the dangers of violence are so rare and/or so far away as to never become an issue in their life.
I come to this site seeking information on how to better prepare myself, information on the best defensive tools and tactics, and situational advice from others. According to my definitions, I do not fall under the category of "sheep". The fact that I posted this topic should be enough proof of that. Nice try.
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