Another 1851 Navy Problem
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NCWanderer
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The S&B just may be my next revolver. I notice Cabela's don't have it but Dixie has it for $245 assembled and 195 for a kit.
Old Cannonballs
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As if we're not getting politically screwed enough as it is...
After a lengtly and spirited “discussion” between Denster and me, I thought I might add some clarity to what I was trying to say. I was mainly focused on the original intent of the wedge screw, which, according to the patent that I posted (dated 1836) the wedge screw was to act as a depth set for the wedge. And, as I stated, I was only referring to original Colts when they were new. There’s no way you can apply the same mind set to an Italian repro – some will be as closely machined as the originals, most won’t be. But that’s OK – I like the Italian repros just the way they are.
Where we differed (mostly) was in the meaning of the paragraph from the second patent that I posted. I read it one way, Denster read it another, but either way, the reason I posted it is was to show that when the guns wear, ie: abrasion on the barrel or cylinder, a deepening of the arbor hole or filing of the tip (either by normal wear, as I said, or purposely, as Denster said ) the wedge would once again come into play as an adjustment to pull everything in tightly, and, again, the wedge screw would act as a temper to the force of the wedge. I'll bet this is still a point of contention, but...
And that’s it from me – the wedge screw has more of a purpose than to hold the wedge in when the barrel is removed. I actually put a screw with an oversized head in my Pietta 1860 .44 and it did act as a depth set for the wedge and made the barrel/frame connection tight, as it is on my original 1851 .36 with the oversized wedge screw.
I'm guessing that Denster is more mechanically inclined than I, but I read the patent and applied it to my Pietta and it works. If anyone else has an original Colt, check the head on the wedge screw - I'm curious if it is oversized as it is on mine.
OK, I’m putting my helmet back on so let me have it.
Where we differed (mostly) was in the meaning of the paragraph from the second patent that I posted. I read it one way, Denster read it another, but either way, the reason I posted it is was to show that when the guns wear, ie: abrasion on the barrel or cylinder, a deepening of the arbor hole or filing of the tip (either by normal wear, as I said, or purposely, as Denster said ) the wedge would once again come into play as an adjustment to pull everything in tightly, and, again, the wedge screw would act as a temper to the force of the wedge. I'll bet this is still a point of contention, but...
And that’s it from me – the wedge screw has more of a purpose than to hold the wedge in when the barrel is removed. I actually put a screw with an oversized head in my Pietta 1860 .44 and it did act as a depth set for the wedge and made the barrel/frame connection tight, as it is on my original 1851 .36 with the oversized wedge screw.
I'm guessing that Denster is more mechanically inclined than I, but I read the patent and applied it to my Pietta and it works. If anyone else has an original Colt, check the head on the wedge screw - I'm curious if it is oversized as it is on mine.
OK, I’m putting my helmet back on so let me have it.
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junkman_01
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pohill,
No need for your helmet. I really enjoyed the 'discussion' between you and denster. I think we all leaned quite a bit from it (I know I did). These are the kind of posts that I crave. Keep them coming. You both are to be commended for your knowledge and enthusiasm to share it with us. Both of you deserve a 'well done'. My thanks to both of you.
No need for your helmet. I really enjoyed the 'discussion' between you and denster. I think we all leaned quite a bit from it (I know I did). These are the kind of posts that I crave. Keep them coming. You both are to be commended for your knowledge and enthusiasm to share it with us. Both of you deserve a 'well done'. My thanks to both of you.
Ok! Now I understand. Since you admit being mechanically challenged I can see how you would misunderstand what the author of that patent was trying to convey. No problem I forgive you but I still won't have a beer with Obama.
As to the wedge screw as a depth stop I agree that was the intent on that patent and would work to that effect with that wedge. With the addition of the spring the effect would be somewhat marginalized but you could use it to some degree as a depth stop if you were such a klutz that you needed to. Of course with the change in design with the 1862 that option is non existant, so the pooint is moot.
As to the wedge screw as a depth stop I agree that was the intent on that patent and would work to that effect with that wedge. With the addition of the spring the effect would be somewhat marginalized but you could use it to some degree as a depth stop if you were such a klutz that you needed to. Of course with the change in design with the 1862 that option is non existant, so the pooint is moot.
I might admit to being a klutz if I wasn't able to work on the Savage & North with no guidance whatsoever. I still think that, on the original Colts, the wedge screw was meant to temper the depth and force of the wedge (S. Colt's own words) and the spring was meant to latch on the outer edge of the slot (S. Colt's own words). The fact that the wedge is tapered means it was meant to be driven in to a point, and that point might change with wear.
Jump ahead to the repros and the wedge screw is basically on the same level as an appendix, tailbone or baby toe.
The wedge on the 1862 has no spring but it still has the groove for the head of the screw to fit in.
Anyways...
On my Uberti 1862 Pocket Police .36, the arbor looks bent downward at the tip. I thought it was defective, but it actually works to keep the barrel tight on the arbor - you actually have to force the tip of the barrel upward to get the pins to line up, and the barrel to slide on. And the wedge will not go into the slot unless you do this. So, what say you - defective or designed?
Jump ahead to the repros and the wedge screw is basically on the same level as an appendix, tailbone or baby toe.
The wedge on the 1862 has no spring but it still has the groove for the head of the screw to fit in.
Anyways...
On my Uberti 1862 Pocket Police .36, the arbor looks bent downward at the tip. I thought it was defective, but it actually works to keep the barrel tight on the arbor - you actually have to force the tip of the barrel upward to get the pins to line up, and the barrel to slide on. And the wedge will not go into the slot unless you do this. So, what say you - defective or designed?
Defective. At least my Uberti 1862 doesn't have it. As to the wedge on the 1862 and the screw. Of course it has a groove for the screw or the wedge wouldn't go in with the screw in place. The screw is only to keep the wedge from falling out when dissasembled as it inpinges with the closed far end of the wedge. What I was refering to was that it could no longer be used as any kind of depth set, wedge temper, whatever as that end of the wedge is now open.
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