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Back in July i had a thread about buying an AR at the begining of the year and well its about that time, but my focus has changed a little since then.

I'm looking for an AR to hunt with (Coyotes) and target pratice with, needs a collasible stock, flattop/quadrail to mount a flashlight and a good scope so i can get out to 200 yards so accuracy is important.

i've looked at RRA and curious about the "Wylde Chamber" says it chambers .223 and 5.56, do some only chamber one and not the other?

Chrome lined barrel or not?

16", 18", 24" barrel?

Trying to stick around a $1000 price range for the gun itself.
 
okay first of all if a wylde chamber is an option thats what you want. you are not supposed to shoot 556 out of a 223 but the reverse is okay. the wylde is the dimensions of the two combined. I believe it's the tighter throat of a 223 and the looser chamber of the 556. for the money your talking you should definitely consider having a rifle built. and for hunting I would consider a 16". if you know for a fact you won't be doing any hiking or walking with it go longer but otherwise the gains aren't worth the weight to me.
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[/IMG]this is my custom d9 firearms 16" ss SDM with a full length tube rra 2 stage, winter trigger guard, tac latch, levang compensator, ergo grip, and a yankee hill ff tube. my bro whacked a whitetail at 350 this season with a very similar setup, but actually mine has the better barrel
 
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the 16" in the pic is a WOA sdm. last time I checked they weren't offering a sdm in 16". but D9 where I got mine has them custom made by WOA. I have two WOA barrels currently and wouldn't get anything else
 
My coyote rifle is a DPMS SS 20" bull barrel with a Shepherd scope on it. Very accurate although pretty heavy at 9 1/2 Pounds unloaded but still not bad to carry and I am 71....
 
yeah I would be doing some walking/hiking.

what about a chrome lined barrel?

and is a .223/5.56 a good flat shooting round?
 
yeah 223/556 is a great round. Do you hand load? You will be much better off with that cartridge if you load. we have shot everything from whitetail and on down with them and have made all very clean kills. but your bullet selection really matters with 223. chrome lined is fine. if you want to look into a cheaper barrel that is still accurate look at the 16" yankee hill. and I would highly recomend a 1:7 twist. If you want to be able to shoot larger game like whitetail, you'll need as fast of a twist as you can get for the large bullets. what will your primary hunting use be?
 
@ suzukisam, I do not hand load myself, kinda expensive start-up cost.

My primary hunting will be coyotes, (i've got other rifles for larger game) but i'm new to coyote hunting and been instructed that most of my shots will take place from 100-200 yards at night and a autoloader is better for follow-ups shots. i've been wanting an AR for quite some time now so now i've got a good reason to get one lol.

my main concern is a flat shooting round that i can accuratly cover at that distance

secondary is a flat-top to mount a 4x16x40 scope with illuminating reticles and mount a good flashlight off the side.

I was looking at a DPMS previously mentioned and you can order the rifle you want and build it how you want so i might go that route. but my budget is some what flexible but really don't want to go over $1200, i can get a RRA at my LGS for $800 so i really don't know what road to travel down.
 
Do this. Before you order a factory rifle, just call the shop I use and talk to him. A custom builder will have a wider variety of brands and choices. As far as 200 yrds that would be no problem out of the rifle I pictures aboved. Pm me if you want his info. Darrel is really easy to talk to and he'll answer all your questions. He has mid grade stuff all the way up to 5 times your budget. He knows his stuff. When I get home I'll post picks of my other builds. If you wanna check out what he does go to D9firearms.com. I tell everyone about him, because after 6 or 8 builds he done for my bro and I , and having owned other ARs I just wouldn't have anything other than one of his. He has always given me the best bang for the buck
 
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Well both of my barrels are medium contour. They were bull barrels that are heavily fluted and milled to a heavy contour. With my 243 I was shooting 1.5" groups at 300. It's a fairly new rifle so I haven't shot any farther than that. My 223 has alwys produced 1/2 moa groups
 
my target AR has a WOA 18" spr barrel shoots 1/2 moa my new carbine i built friday night has a BCM 16" middy 1/7twist chrome lined i have not been able to see how it performs at 200-300yds but was amazed at the out of the box accuracy 50yds bullet holes was on top of each outher
 
Well i talked to my LGS and they have a Rock River Arms operator model NIB with rail covers, Ergo Sure grip, flat top + RRA Dominator2 EOTech Mount for $950 out the door.

Any ideas on this deal?
 
what about a chrome lined barrel?
It's my understanding that chrome lining is typically done for reliability and ease of cleaning but tends to hurt accuracy to a small degree. So if it's a varmint/target gun (and you won't die if it jams), you can get better accuracy with a non chrome lined barrel.
 
that sounds like a pretty okay deal. to give you an idea with the WOA ss barrel mine runs about 1100, with the RRA 2 stage trigger. not sure what that one comes with
 
DPMS

DPMS for varmint hunting is your best bang for the buck. As far as chrome lined or stainless....well most people can't shoot the difference between them and it's a serious competitor type option. I'd go with CM or chrome lined barrel.
Most of the varmint hunters up this way are using a variety of rifles from savage 110, Remington 700 and Stag or DPMS for the AR platforms. A good 16 or 20 inch will shoot pretty close to each other for varmints out to 300 yards. As for the poundage of your rifle and what your going to use it for, your not humping the mountains in Afghanistan, a 10 pound rifle is not going to kill you. We have gotten to sensitive about weight in the last 20 years when it comes to our recreation shooting. If you think this is bullcrap them pick up an old hunting magazine from 30 years ago and see what they were busting yots with back then, the range and accuracy are the same today as back then. But scopes sure as hell got a lot better.
Good luck and have fun.
 
yeah weight doesn't bother me cause of my youth :)neener:) and a good sling is always helpful too.

hate to bug ya'll with one more question but in the NRA magazine this month they had a piece on the M14 and how the .308 is a much better round for various reasons, is this maybe something to look into? I know that .223 is cheaper but as far as ballistics go in comparison i'm cloudy.
 
Shooting coyotes at night seems to be the goal. That means a lightly scoped precision rifle, but not necessarily as described.


I'm looking for an AR to hunt with (Coyotes) and target pratice with, needs a collasible stock, flattop/quadrail to mount a flashlight and a good scope so i can get out to 200 yards so accuracy is important.

Specifying or building the rifle, take it in this order: barrel, bolt,optic, furniture, accessories. Working thru it, a standard 2MOA barrel is all you need for an 18" broad target at 200 yards. It will hit within 4" of the target point, unless you're saving fur. If it's head shots only, then a more expensive 1MOA barrel or better is needed. If you can use a decoy, just being closer solves that.

Having the bolt headspaced to the barrel is nice, but likely won't add much accuracy in this case. Next is optic, any good 2X7 should do. Since it seems likely night shooting is involved, and illuminated reticle would help, if the intensity is adjustable. Using one is better off an A3 upper, a riser and rings will likely be cantilevered over the handguard to prevent it moving around if attached to one. Slings will pull them around just like one mounted to a barrel.

Furniture, fixed A1/2 is all that's needed. Adjustable stocks are more expensive, rattle and creak, which is counterproductive when hunting. A standard grip will also do, it's not like handguns where a grip is the only connection. The rifle is supported at the shoulder and handguard, for 1 to 2MOA shooting, the grip won't help. Same for a quad rail - don't mount the optic to it at all, sling tension on it will move it. That's the point, the stress is taken up by the handguard, not by the barrel.

Attaching a light is simple, add a piece of rail to a tube and clamp it there. Where is important - if you use any front sight, it could shield the light and shadow the beam to one side. At 200 yards, it will also be either large and heavy, or quite expensive, you'll need something past 200 lumens. Another technique is to illuminate the decoy with a red light powered close to the target area, and wait for a clear shot in the zone. No dead weight on the gun, nothing to remove at the range. Others use a night vision scope, or simply hunt in good moonlight.

As for any other accessories, none needed. The standard control layout and a 10/20 round mag should do. At this point, a issue 16 to 20", A3 upper, scope, smooth free float with fixed stock would do. Which is what most varmint AR's sold are.

Not a M4gery with scope, rails, and bipod, which is what seems to be posted up all the time.
 
scope would be a 4x16x40 Center point with adjustable illuminating reticles (cause i allready have one)

flashlight would just be for walking around in the dark (to and from the truck, not hunting) cause the red lens spotlight would be to illuminate the target.

the purpose of the collasible stock is just to accomodate my wife and son (when he's old enough)

i'm picky about accuracy at 100 yrds and now that i'm told that i'll be shooting up 200 yrds it throws a monkey wrench in my shooting habits. the whole aspect of the whole situation is new to me, coyote hunting, AR rifles, hunting at night, and 200 yrd shots all new to me.
 
223 or 308

I guess it would come down to your flavor or choice. I have the AR, or should say AR's in 556 and 7.62 and have used both with equal results....dead yots.
I have Colts, Bushys, and DPMS and I'll tell ya that LR308C is my favorite, but that's just a preference nothing more. A heavy barrel in 16 or 20 inch with a free float tube will do ya, of course a good scope and trigger too.
Just don't get to wrapped up in the market, it's easy to fall for all the super sexy stuff and it's over kill after a certain point. Nothing more then them separating you from your money. Remember, no matter what type of high speed gear you have it won't do you any good unless you have good shooting habits and know how to call your shots and read the wind....lot's of practice and plinking time to help.
Have fun and let us know how it turns out with your build.
 
I own the RRA Elite Operater 2, i use it for yotes comes with some great options, flat top rai,l folding front sight and a few rear sights to chose from. but they do have the Coyote version, i was actually going to get that until i seen the EO2, all my friends have ar's and they seem to like the RRA, looking back i wish i would have got the 6.8 so i could deer hunt with it, but thats what i get.
 
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