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thesolidus
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like I said, the second oldest argument is weapons control. Guns, knives, swords, whatever... Governments like disarmed and docile people.
Funny, the 2nd ammendment is the 2nd oldest argument. ("Thog! No bring spear in cave! Thog want spear! Etc...)
The 1st, the right to free speech covers the first oldest argument. ("Thog! No fart in cave! Thog want fart in cave!..)
Since cavemen not much has changed...
Funny, the 2nd ammendment is the 2nd oldest argument. ("Thog! No bring spear in cave! Thog want spear! Etc...)
The 1st, the right to free speech covers the first oldest argument. ("Thog! No fart in cave! Thog want fart in cave!..)
Since cavemen not much has changed...
FLORIDA KEVIN
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It seems that the Brits are now banning knives with pointy ends since they allready got rid of guns at least the ones by law abiding types ! What is next ?We will have to write with crayons or chalk so we can be protected from evil pointy pens and pencils ! kevin
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pencils should be banned next! they have lead, stab someone with it and they get lead posioning. 
they must protech us from that!
Justin
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Modern pencils use graphite, not lead, dude.
Well this is just terrible news. Now I'll have to wing it on my exams, since I own an "assault calculator" - you press a button and it flips open.
A list of other "assault" things...
"Assault hatch" on the new Dodge Caravan
"Assault seats" on my older Chevy Blazer
"Assault trunk latch release" on my Camaro
A list of other "assault" things...
"Assault hatch" on the new Dodge Caravan
"Assault seats" on my older Chevy Blazer
"Assault trunk latch release" on my Camaro
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Officers'Wife
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No, next will be the 'corn knife', a cutlass like tool that many farmers use to cut tall weeds out of fence rows. Now if will excuse me I need to buy a section of PVC pipe for my late uncles' 28 inch bayonet with the handmade aftermarket handguard that he used in lieu of a corn knife.
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kniferights said:
If we can raise a ruckus over some clerk reclassifying surplus brass we should be able to do much more over an intentional effort to classify what has been legal illegal.
TEDDY
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its not that they are banning its surprising it took so long.after all what do you need a knife for.you do realize that there are people out there that would ban anything because they can.we really do need to downsize the gov.
there are how many gov employees??when Forbes ran for president he wanted flat rate income tax.he was blown away.do you know how many work in that hot house of hell and how many billions they are paid.
as to knifes we used to always have one as kids.the gov cant or wont control border jumpers,they are going to control knifes.a grinder and file and
you have a knife.
its not that they are banning its surprising it took so long.after all what do you need a knife for.you do realize that there are people out there that would ban anything because they can.we really do need to downsize the gov.
there are how many gov employees??when Forbes ran for president he wanted flat rate income tax.he was blown away.do you know how many work in that hot house of hell and how many billions they are paid.
as to knifes we used to always have one as kids.the gov cant or wont control border jumpers,they are going to control knifes.a grinder and file and
you have a knife.
Gunnerpalace
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We'll yeah (scratches head) but Why? I mean in England the country that finds fire extinguishers to be a fire risk, they could not pass this, I wonder why they want to ban them, was it for children or was somebody deeply scared by West Side Story?
OregonJohnny
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I don't want to derail this thread, but I have a question that may seem absurd. What, in the eyes of the geniuses that are trying to do this, is the problem with a knife you can open with one hand? I'm racking my brain trying to imagine a scenario where a knife that can be opened with one hand would be more "dangerous" or "threatening" than a fixed blade. All I can see are scenarios where it could save someone's life (maybe your left arm is inoperable after a bad car accident, you need to cut your seatbelt to escape, you only have one free hand and an assisted-opening knife).
If there is one shred of logic behind their agenda, someone please enlighten me. Thanks.
If there is one shred of logic behind their agenda, someone please enlighten me. Thanks.
Um....
Does this only affect incoming knives made in other countries, or domestically produced one handed openers as well?
Edited to add:
It's a bit of a stretch to say they are trying to ban any "one handed opener", they are looking to ban "assisted openers".
We might have to put up with this until we get someone who possesses common sense and respects the Constitution in the White House.
Does this only affect incoming knives made in other countries, or domestically produced one handed openers as well?
Edited to add:
It's a bit of a stretch to say they are trying to ban any "one handed opener", they are looking to ban "assisted openers".
We might have to put up with this until we get someone who possesses common sense and respects the Constitution in the White House.
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Folks,
We've been able to get some impressive things done when we worked together.
Right now we need to write, email and call our congresscritters and let them know that we oppose the Customs decision to redefine these common pocket knives as switchblades. This isn't one bit different than the attempt to redefine common firearms like the AR15 and the AK as somehow being the same as machine guns.
Be civil. Ranting doesn't get anyone's attention like a calm well written brief note. Also, be brief and state clearly at the beginning of the note that you oppose US Customs current attempt to change the definition of the common assisted opening pocket knife to being equivalent of a switchblade.
Explain that you, or your friends/family, carry one of these knives that Customs would change the definition of so they could ban importation of it and scores of others just like it.
Point out that redefining these common pocket knives as switchblades after years of treating them as common pocket knives would harm the US economy taking money out the pockets of small and large retailers, wholesale distributors, US companies having the knives made and imported, and ultimately US citizens who work for these companies. This is not acceptable during these hard economic times.
Explain that these knives were invented here in the US and that they are as natural an evolution in design as the introduction of the starter motor was to the original hand crank automobiles our grandfathers and great grandfathers had to deal with. There is nothing more sinister about them than putting a key in the ignition of a car instead of cranking by hand.
Send these letters to the US Customs as well (remember we have just until June 21 to get them in).
Here's the link to congress.org.
Now bury them in complaints about this.
We've been able to get some impressive things done when we worked together.
Right now we need to write, email and call our congresscritters and let them know that we oppose the Customs decision to redefine these common pocket knives as switchblades. This isn't one bit different than the attempt to redefine common firearms like the AR15 and the AK as somehow being the same as machine guns.
Be civil. Ranting doesn't get anyone's attention like a calm well written brief note. Also, be brief and state clearly at the beginning of the note that you oppose US Customs current attempt to change the definition of the common assisted opening pocket knife to being equivalent of a switchblade.
Explain that you, or your friends/family, carry one of these knives that Customs would change the definition of so they could ban importation of it and scores of others just like it.
Point out that redefining these common pocket knives as switchblades after years of treating them as common pocket knives would harm the US economy taking money out the pockets of small and large retailers, wholesale distributors, US companies having the knives made and imported, and ultimately US citizens who work for these companies. This is not acceptable during these hard economic times.
Explain that these knives were invented here in the US and that they are as natural an evolution in design as the introduction of the starter motor was to the original hand crank automobiles our grandfathers and great grandfathers had to deal with. There is nothing more sinister about them than putting a key in the ignition of a car instead of cranking by hand.
Send these letters to the US Customs as well (remember we have just until June 21 to get them in).
Here's the link to congress.org.
Now bury them in complaints about this.
351 WINCHESTER
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Unless I'm sadly mistaken U.S. Customs can only regulate the importation of switchblade knives. Under the current statutes there are exceptions to switchblades. A one armed person is allowed to import a switchblade as long as the blade is 3" or under. Also, certain military personell are allowed importation if they are necessary for the excetution of their duties. There may be more exceptions, but I've been out of the loop for quite some time.
Customs does not make any laws. They only enforce them. Congress makes the laws. Customs does, however, have the liberty to interpert the laws to their liking. Therein lies the danger.
Customs does not make any laws. They only enforce them. Congress makes the laws. Customs does, however, have the liberty to interpert the laws to their liking. Therein lies the danger.
FlaChef
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Actually the "danger there in" is that most other laws when talking about weapons refer to switchblades as defined by the US Customs Code. In fact I believe (or have been told anyway) that it is the only place federally where a "switchblade" is defined.
There is also the language that "or can otherwise be easily opened with one hand (it's getting close to bed and i doubt i quoted that correctly, but the gist is there) that could even include things like thumb studs on a pocket folder that is otherwise not "assisted".
Now all of a sudden your state or local law that prohibits carrying "switchblades" may now include almost any pocket folder (or at least a few unlucky test cases).
Switchblades were the "Assault Weapons" of the 50's and early 60's as "street punks" often carried them and no "respectable" person had a need for them. (that was one of the in betweens that got us from the previously described Thog's spear to the AR)
arizona98tj
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My letter to US Customs went into the mail yesterday. I also e-mailed both of my US Senators and my House Representative and complained to them about yet another agency getting a big dose of stupid served up.
These agencies have far too much time on their hands, IMHO, if this is what they come up with. Time to down size them and get them busy on something a little more productive.
These agencies have far too much time on their hands, IMHO, if this is what they come up with. Time to down size them and get them busy on something a little more productive.
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Folks,
We have until June 21 to make US Customs retreat from this decision. Just 6 more days!
Ironically, the days leading up to Father's Day is one of the biggest knife sales periods in this country. How many of you remember giving your Dad a new knife in thanks for trying to raise you right?
Let's honor our fathers, and our Founding Fathers, and make Customs and our elected officials hear our disgust at these sorts of stupidity! Write and mail a letter today telling them that changing the definition of knives we've owned for years to that of a switchblade is unacceptable.
Keep it brief, keep it civil and clearly say up front that you are OPPOSED to Customs' attempt to redefine knives currently commonly in use as switchblades.
You can find the addresses for your specific congresscritters at http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=77&Itemid=150
US Customs can be reached -
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Office of International Trade
Regulations and Rulings
Mint Annex
799 9th Street N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20229
Attn: Intellectual Property and Restricted Merchandise Branch
RE: PROPOSED REVOCATION OF RULING LETTERS AND REVOCATION OF TREATMENT RELATING TO THE ADMISSIBILTY [sic] OF CERTAIN KNIVES WITH SPRING-ASSISTED OPENING MECHANISMS
We have until June 21 to make US Customs retreat from this decision. Just 6 more days!
Ironically, the days leading up to Father's Day is one of the biggest knife sales periods in this country. How many of you remember giving your Dad a new knife in thanks for trying to raise you right?
Let's honor our fathers, and our Founding Fathers, and make Customs and our elected officials hear our disgust at these sorts of stupidity! Write and mail a letter today telling them that changing the definition of knives we've owned for years to that of a switchblade is unacceptable.
Keep it brief, keep it civil and clearly say up front that you are OPPOSED to Customs' attempt to redefine knives currently commonly in use as switchblades.
You can find the addresses for your specific congresscritters at http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=77&Itemid=150
US Customs can be reached -
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Office of International Trade
Regulations and Rulings
Mint Annex
799 9th Street N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20229
Attn: Intellectual Property and Restricted Merchandise Branch
RE: PROPOSED REVOCATION OF RULING LETTERS AND REVOCATION OF TREATMENT RELATING TO THE ADMISSIBILTY [sic] OF CERTAIN KNIVES WITH SPRING-ASSISTED OPENING MECHANISMS
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