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Another bad day at Knob Creek
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dscottdennison
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Ok, ok. But the real problem was the guy hammering on it. I can get over somebody being rude. His rudeness level varies each time I am unfortunate enough to have to go there (never again), but we think he is family to the owners... ugh.
Although I would probably be rude too if hundreds of people per day were being stupid under my watch with the livelihood of my family at stake.
Although I would probably be rude too if hundreds of people per day were being stupid under my watch with the livelihood of my family at stake.
FlyinBryan
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being a handloader for mostly military type rifles (ar15, m1 garand, sks) with the longer than normal throats, ive not had an issue with jumping vs jamming with anything ive loaded (that and being too worried about overpressure to ever jam anything,,,,,, not suggesting you shouldnt do it, as im sure you watch your pressure)
but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
i do have several semiauto rimfire rifles with match grade barrels and super tight chambers, and as you probably know, once a round is chambered in a semiauto match rimfire chamber,,,,, more often than not, there aint no pulling that puppy back out. you must shoot it out, so thats exactly what i do, right after the horn sounds.
my range officer is aware of this (i made him aware of mine, but he understands the concept) and has no problem with it......it sounds as if your case is different by virtue of some thick headed management. of course hindsight being 20/20, i would never disclose info that they didnt need to know again. when the horn sounds, just extract the round (or primed case) shake the powder out of it, and sit it on the bench with bolt beside the rifle. then, when the line goes hot tap your bullet out.
lol, you were probably just kinda making casual conversation with the guy and he went off on a campaign to protect the world with superior knowledge and expert bomb disposal skillz.
but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
i do have several semiauto rimfire rifles with match grade barrels and super tight chambers, and as you probably know, once a round is chambered in a semiauto match rimfire chamber,,,,, more often than not, there aint no pulling that puppy back out. you must shoot it out, so thats exactly what i do, right after the horn sounds.
my range officer is aware of this (i made him aware of mine, but he understands the concept) and has no problem with it......it sounds as if your case is different by virtue of some thick headed management. of course hindsight being 20/20, i would never disclose info that they didnt need to know again. when the horn sounds, just extract the round (or primed case) shake the powder out of it, and sit it on the bench with bolt beside the rifle. then, when the line goes hot tap your bullet out.
lol, you were probably just kinda making casual conversation with the guy and he went off on a campaign to protect the world with superior knowledge and expert bomb disposal skillz.
dscottdennison
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Swat: Sorry. You had me thinking I was breaking a rule somehow and wanted this deleted haha.
Bryan: You've got it exactly right. This guy is... fun... to deal with. Oh how I would do everything differently if I could.
Bryan: You've got it exactly right. This guy is... fun... to deal with. Oh how I would do everything differently if I could.
Sounds like something that happened at a local range here recently.
Guy with a brand new AR, new to the AR platform somehow managed to get a casing behind the bolt(I think, wasn't there for the first part).
We came up to the range with one of the RO banging his AR into the ground butt first trying to dislodge it with the casing grabbed by a set of pliers. Saw the rile as it came back and there was bare metal from the pliers all up and down the upper
Guy with a brand new AR, new to the AR platform somehow managed to get a casing behind the bolt(I think, wasn't there for the first part).
We came up to the range with one of the RO banging his AR into the ground butt first trying to dislodge it with the casing grabbed by a set of pliers. Saw the rile as it came back and there was bare metal from the pliers all up and down the upper
chris in va
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I live ten miles from the range and visit quite often.
Was the RO an older guy? Was it on a weekend?
Was the RO an older guy? Was it on a weekend?
Shytheed Dumas
Member
If it's the old chain smoking guy, he's more than just rude, he's a bit of a problem in my opinion. Once I was shooting on a table right next to my son, when he committed a minor infraction. The old guy came up behind me while I was squeezing the trigger on my AR, slapped me on the should and yelled. He scared the ever-living crap out of me, and I will tell you that my son's infraction was microscopic in comparison. I agree that my son needed a correction, and we discussed it, but there was a MUCH better way for the range officer to handle this situation and it wasn't the first time that I've seen him act similarly. I really do appreciate that it's a long and busy firing line that requires a great deal of discipline from a good range officer, but I really don't see that being a jackass somehow equates with being safe.
That said, I love Knob Creek and from what I know of the owners, they are great people who do a lot of good in Louisville and certainly for the shooting sports. They will continue to get my business, but they really need to get someone better in place as range officer.
451 Detonics
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I refuse to go to any range where there is an RO in attendance. Most don't know what they are doing and have massive ego and power trips. They create more dangerous situations than they prevent by far.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
I felt the opposite until I had one, who was a well known gunsmith near Tampa, call the range "hot" while I was still stapling up my target. Apparently it was more important to him to jaw with his friends than to actually do his job. Luckily, fellow shooters called him on it before anybody let one fly. I do 99.99% of my shooting on my own property now but have nothing but good things to say about the staff at Henry County Gun Club in Puryear, TN. If it wasn't over two hours away, I'd probably join.
Sounds like a power struggle in his own mind. There is no test for the range officers to know guns. Explain that you are casing up your weapon or need to run a patch through it. After saftying for over 10 years I never took a weapon. Just told them to unload, make safe and case gun. then talk to them around the corner if they were stupid
wildehond
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I would have flipped. 
You will have to take my rifle from me cold dead hands.
On the long range rifle range I go to NO ONE and I mean NO ONE touches anybody else's rifle or handgun without permission. Quickest way to loose your membership, RO or not.
You will have to take my rifle from me cold dead hands.On the long range rifle range I go to NO ONE and I mean NO ONE touches anybody else's rifle or handgun without permission. Quickest way to loose your membership, RO or not.
dscottdennison
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Yeah... it's certainly not very professional.
the ONLY way I feel any understanding for the RO is that it really is full of people who know nothing about guns or gun safety 24/7. People setting their kids loose with any gun they want, ten people gathered around video taping somebody shooting a 10/22 cause it's the first time they have touched a gun, people walking up with loaded guns, etc. The many holes in the roof of the overhang and chunks out of the concrete are testament to that.
the ONLY way I feel any understanding for the RO is that it really is full of people who know nothing about guns or gun safety 24/7. People setting their kids loose with any gun they want, ten people gathered around video taping somebody shooting a 10/22 cause it's the first time they have touched a gun, people walking up with loaded guns, etc. The many holes in the roof of the overhang and chunks out of the concrete are testament to that.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
I swear, it's a wonder that more people aren't killed every year from unsafe gun handling. The things you see at a public gun range are unbelievable. Then again, you see the same stupidity and worse on the road. Yet most people manage to make it back and forth to work.
chris in va
Member
I will ask him what happened next time I get up there. He doesn't 'chain smoke' so not sure who you're referring to.
dscottdennison
Member
Like I said, I'm not all that worried about the RO. Yeah he is rude and on an ego and power trip, but oh well. It's the "gunsmith" who was the real idiot. I had never even seen him before. I already sent a message to them about the ordeal. I would be interested to know, if you do talk to them and they remember, if they still do not understand the problem...
If you live in Louisville, you are probably used to the ranges, shops, gunsmiths, etc. automatically assuming you are stupid until proven otherwise, unless you know them, because that is the typical customer they deal with.
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It's simple mechanics. You don't keep cranking on a bolt in a blind hole if it's near the point of seizing. You back it out gently, inspect for problem threads and go from there. Who in their right mind thinks its a smart idea to jam something down the chamber end of a weapon to force an obstruction out. Wondertards.
As far as the RO goes..You'll have that and you just gotta live with it if ya wanna shoot on that particular range. Anyone with a uniform, authority and access to guns tends to think a little higher of themselves. I myself prefer an unmanned range. Just less drama that way it seems.
As far as the RO goes..You'll have that and you just gotta live with it if ya wanna shoot on that particular range. Anyone with a uniform, authority and access to guns tends to think a little higher of themselves. I myself prefer an unmanned range. Just less drama that way it seems.
monkyboy1975
Member
What ever happened to unless asked; keep thy boogie hooks off other peoples equipment?
Nothing worse than a range busybody.
Nothing worse than a range busybody.
Zerodefect
member
Should have kept your mouth shut and just packed your rifle up, and shoot one of your other guns for the remainder of your visit. Fix it at home.
Or don't say anything and just pretend your cleaning. RO's usually aren't the brightest folks. The people at your range sound pretty dim.
Or don't say anything and just pretend your cleaning. RO's usually aren't the brightest folks. The people at your range sound pretty dim.
Old Dog Man
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Safe Shooting Rangs
We are very lucky in Texas City. Tx. we have a very safe range run by a very capable staff. They watch everyone and everything going on. A RO stands in front of the benches and makes sure no one goes near their gun until the range master say's the range is clear. I used to go to another local range when I had to shoot at night. They had a kid setting in a building behind the firing line, myself and another shooter were still down at the target frames when the kid says it safe to shoot. We both hit the ground and people on the firing line started screaming at the kid there are people still down range. Needless to say I packed up my stuff and haven't been back there since. Al
We are very lucky in Texas City. Tx. we have a very safe range run by a very capable staff. They watch everyone and everything going on. A RO stands in front of the benches and makes sure no one goes near their gun until the range master say's the range is clear. I used to go to another local range when I had to shoot at night. They had a kid setting in a building behind the firing line, myself and another shooter were still down at the target frames when the kid says it safe to shoot. We both hit the ground and people on the firing line started screaming at the kid there are people still down range. Needless to say I packed up my stuff and haven't been back there since. Al
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