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The grip is a little odd. It's bobtail rounded... but the back of the grip is longer than the front. A smaller grip in the back can still snug into the palm, but cutting off length in the front of the grip reduces the number of fingers you can get onto the grip, but since the back end of the grip is longer, you didn't reduce the overall height at all.

It does look a lot like the Springfield Hellcat. Choosing the CT optic like Springfield Armory and S&W is a step over the optic-included Sig P365XL version and its Holosun-manufactured unit that is OK but feels chintzy. Ambidextrous controls are broadly good, takedown levers bad. Trigger good, but all the other triggers in the field are at least OK, and the S&W Shield Plus has a fantastic trigger for undoubtedly less money. The iron sights are by my preference the best ones available right now. S&W saved money using three-dot, non-illuminated sights, but all the other competitors are using night sights as well. This is mostly a matter of taste, but I do like the Kimber's orange dot front over the green dot of the Sig.
 
Something I have been wondering about.
What are co-witnessed sights to be FOR?
What do you do when you present the gun to a target and see a glowing dot, a front sight, and a rear sight? Which/what are you really aiming with?
 
If you watch the TFB review, he states there are two other similar guns being released from “large” manufacturers very soon. Wonder who else is getting on the wagon.

Looks decent, but priced too high for me.
 
Dan-O said:
If you watch the TFB review, he states there are two other similar guns being released from “large” manufacturers very soon. Wonder who else is getting on the wagon.
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Obviously H&K is one, considering we already know what it looks like, thanks to their patents. But I wonder who's left. There's literally nobody. Colt and Remington are basically dead, surely not them, right? Kahr? No way, the barely had engineers to add a Pic rail. That only leaves Walther before we hit Mossberg et.al.

So, H&K and Walther.

Glock may be considering a re-do, but things are very unfavourable for them, given how they used their chance. They can still do a G42X.

UPDATE: Beretta and CZ are pretty large too. Beretta recently updated Nano into a pseudo-APX, and CZ dumped RAMI a few years ago.
 
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Colt is far from dead, they were just bought out by CZ and CZ is a large manufacturer that may have something in the works. Glock could come out with a new model tomorrow and people will buy it. They aren't missing out on anything.
 
Jim Watson said:
What are co-witnessed sights to be FOR?
What do you do when you present the gun to a target and see a glowing dot, a front sight, and a rear sight? Which/what are you really aiming with?
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The co-witness on a pistol serves two main functions:
1. Helping you find the dot
2. Backup

The first problem is something we don't have on a rifle, because of the cheek weld. But with a pistol, you can often see people's guns wobble before they can take aim. This is more acute on small guns with small sights, and it is why oversized lens sights exist, like SRO.

If you listen to pistol snobs, er... to highly experienced shooters from e.g. pistol-forum, they will say that those having trouble with finding the dot must work on "strong presentation". While not a baloney, it is an extremely elitist view. Most normal people benefit from indexing on the iron sights, and as they do it normally, the dot just appears for them. I see nothing wrong with that.

As far as backup goes, it is still important. Although quality modern sights are far sturdier than most think, they can run out of battery. Or, you may be shooting against a setting sun and suffer a washout. Most sights degrade from dirt getting over the emitter. So yes, backup is essential even if you shoot self-powered sights like Mepros.
 
I am a reactionary, I prefer to save a step and when I see the iron sights, I just aim the pistol with them. My only dots are on .22s meant for Steel Challenge. But I still shoot RFPI most of the time.

I will have to ask some of the USPSA and IDPA CO shooters if they are using both sights.
I am positive the Open shooters are not.
And a friend has gone All Dot for all purposes, match and war. No cow sight at all. He says if the dot goes away, he can hit an assailant pretty far out just centering him in the window.
 
Jim Watson said:
I am a reactionary, I prefer to save a step and when I see the iron sights, I just aim the pistol with them. My only dots are on .22s meant for Steel Challenge. But I still shoot RFPI most of the time.

I will have to ask some of the USPSA and IDPA CO shooters if they are using both sights.
I am positive the Open shooters are not.
And a friend has gone All Dot for all purposes, match and war. No cow sight at all. He says if the dot goes away, he can hit an assailant pretty far out just centering him in the window.
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It's all down to personal preference. Some of my optic guns co-witness, some don't. Most open guns aren't set up with any sights besides a red dot...the Czechmate, STI DVC-O, etc. Things can go bad when there are no irons, a friends battery on his Czechmate died in the middle of the match, did the best he could without it.

I don't have or want an optic on my carry pistol, I don't see the point.
 
While I'm not personally fond of striker fired carry pistols I am happy to see so many options available in true carry-sized pistols. No I don't care that you "easily" conceal carry your G17 Long Slide with a 33 round magazine, I'm talking about a size pistol that most people find easy to carry and hopefully conceal. When I started carrying (concealed) 10 years ago there were a lot fewer options in the size range that is common today. I'm happy to see this evolution play out.
 
I had one of their BUL framed polymer pistols for awhile, no issues.
 
I'm seriously considering one. It pushes all my buttons....high capacity, ambi mag and slide release, flat trigger, tritium night sights, and a nice grip.
 
zaitcev said:
The co-witness on a pistol serves two main functions:
1. Helping you find the dot
2. Backup.
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It means the user is concentrating on the wrong thing IMO..


Jim Watson said:
I will have to ask some of the USPSA and IDPA CO shooters if they are using both sights.
I am positive the Open shooters are not.
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Neither are the CO shooters.. I shot CO when they first allowed it in USPSA.
 
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Careful now.

Non-1911 Kimbers have extra spotty pasts. The Solo comes to mind though it too looked like a real winner.

I would make it your newest acquisition for next year if it were me.
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I think you need to crawl out from under that rock you have been hiding under.. :neener:

The replacement to the Solo was a few years ago and works well. Look up the reviews for the EVO SP.
Course no one wants to hear or believe that Kimber makes one of the best striker guns on the planet.. :what:
 
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