1911 guy
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Stuff like this always happens to "the other guy".
To the fellow down the street, YOU are "the other guy".
To the fellow down the street, YOU are "the other guy".
Another Dog Shot... Since we have been discussing this...
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crankshop1000
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If the owner has insurance,the bite victim needs to sue.Most insurance companies will not issue a policy if the homeowner has certain excluded breed dogs.Dog bite cases are generally paid without going to court and can really be a nice windfall.
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Mr. Designer
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Shoot a Jack Russel?
I'm fairly sure the main reason for putting a dog down is for the safety of others. I'm not sure a snappy, 15lb Jack Russel could pose enough of a threat for me to shoot it. A case could be made for shooting a larger dog.
I'm fairly sure the main reason for putting a dog down is for the safety of others. I'm not sure a snappy, 15lb Jack Russel could pose enough of a threat for me to shoot it. A case could be made for shooting a larger dog.
Souris
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Why is it that a group of people as well versed in Media Ignorance, as THR is, accepts stories like this as face value?
When ever a crime or shoot out using an AK-47 is reported people here decry the falsehoods of the media.
But when a dog attacks and is blithely reported to be a Pit Bull people take it as the reporter is a dog expert and can tell a Pit Bull from a Boxer/Lab mix. Or is it permissible for the media to make sweeping generalizations about Dogs and not firearms.
Maybe the same skepticism should be applied to the assault dog as the assault rifle.
I am not defending this dog. This dog, and it's owner are at fault. A shot to the chest probably would have ended this dogs life. The shot to the head, as mentioned, probably cracked the skull and knocked the dog out. Dogs, especially medium to large dogs, are much tougher than most people give them credit for.
When Pit Bull is read in a newspaper article perhaps, it should be treated with the same skepticism as the words assault rifle, automatic and AK47.
Perhaps when breed bans are suggested it should be compared to a caliber ban or a model ban.
When ever a crime or shoot out using an AK-47 is reported people here decry the falsehoods of the media.
But when a dog attacks and is blithely reported to be a Pit Bull people take it as the reporter is a dog expert and can tell a Pit Bull from a Boxer/Lab mix. Or is it permissible for the media to make sweeping generalizations about Dogs and not firearms.
Maybe the same skepticism should be applied to the assault dog as the assault rifle.
I am not defending this dog. This dog, and it's owner are at fault. A shot to the chest probably would have ended this dogs life. The shot to the head, as mentioned, probably cracked the skull and knocked the dog out. Dogs, especially medium to large dogs, are much tougher than most people give them credit for.
When Pit Bull is read in a newspaper article perhaps, it should be treated with the same skepticism as the words assault rifle, automatic and AK47.
Perhaps when breed bans are suggested it should be compared to a caliber ban or a model ban.
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quote:"I'm fairly sure the main reason for putting a dog down is for the safety of others. I'm not sure a snappy, 15lb Jack Russel could pose enough of a threat for me to shoot it. A case could be made for shooting a larger dog."
If i can't trust the dog not to bite my 4yo nephew, then I can't trust the dog period. Any dog that bites for any reason other than protection of self or family will meet the final resolution.
If i can't trust the dog not to bite my 4yo nephew, then I can't trust the dog period. Any dog that bites for any reason other than protection of self or family will meet the final resolution.
Travis McGee
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"Shoot a Jack Russel?"
Years ago I was at an outdoor farmers market/fair. Very festive, happy occasion. A very nice medium sized dog, can't remember the breed, was making nice with my also happy then about 4 year old daughter. Getting rather close to the point of face licking etc. All happy, happy, happy.
An extremely concerned middle-aged couple approached myself and my wife, and told this story. Their uber pleasant cocker spaniel was doing likewise at a park years before, and out of the clear blue sky, no warning, no hint, bit a child on the face. From nowhere.
The couple had to pay and pay and pay for YEARS. Surgery, punitive damages, it went on until the child was an adult. They were sued into the DIRT because of what their lovely cocker did with no forewarning AT ALL. They wanted to tell us to keep our daughter "out of range" of the happy dog, because of terrible dire consequences that can happen out of a clear blue sky when kids and dogs are mixed.
So back to the Jack Russell: the owner/shooter might have just had in mind heading off a future medical/legal disaster. Even a small breed can bite a child on the face, with TERRIBLE consequences lasting for YEARS, bringing emotional pain and financial ruin to the parties involved.
Years ago I was at an outdoor farmers market/fair. Very festive, happy occasion. A very nice medium sized dog, can't remember the breed, was making nice with my also happy then about 4 year old daughter. Getting rather close to the point of face licking etc. All happy, happy, happy.
An extremely concerned middle-aged couple approached myself and my wife, and told this story. Their uber pleasant cocker spaniel was doing likewise at a park years before, and out of the clear blue sky, no warning, no hint, bit a child on the face. From nowhere.
The couple had to pay and pay and pay for YEARS. Surgery, punitive damages, it went on until the child was an adult. They were sued into the DIRT because of what their lovely cocker did with no forewarning AT ALL. They wanted to tell us to keep our daughter "out of range" of the happy dog, because of terrible dire consequences that can happen out of a clear blue sky when kids and dogs are mixed.
So back to the Jack Russell: the owner/shooter might have just had in mind heading off a future medical/legal disaster. Even a small breed can bite a child on the face, with TERRIBLE consequences lasting for YEARS, bringing emotional pain and financial ruin to the parties involved.
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May it's because many of us feel that dogs are so common that most people know the difference between a pit bull and a lab as much as they know that a telephone is not a microwave.
No offense to PIT Owners or to be PC, AST dog owners but they didn't just get the reputation by chance and overnight. Just see it for what it is, they are in fact a very unreliable breed and dangerous breed. I've tried to defend them in the past, in fact I was a Rottweiler owner. And the bottom line is that if you look at ANY statistics on dog bits and dog attacks, PITS and ROTTS are high up there. There is a reason they get that reputation.
Same way people of certain races get certain reputations. It's probably because they've earned that reputation.
Same way people of certain races get certain reputations. It's probably because they've earned that reputation.
Most likely it wasn't a straight shot on the head. It was most likely a glancing shot in the heat of the moment that rapped the skull hard, but didn't have the angle to go into it.
Wouldn't have mattered what kind of gun was used in a case like that. The 9mm is a fine round.
Wouldn't have mattered what kind of gun was used in a case like that. The 9mm is a fine round.
A straight on CNS headshot on an aggressive pit bull is not that easy a shot. You'd really have to hold low (i.e. no higher than eye level) and centered. Much of the upper profile (esp. toward the rear) is the muscle attached to a high boney ridge at the back of the skull used to power those strong jaws.
Nick
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What irritates me about the handling of vicious dogs is this....
It generally takes multiple attacks before an owner is forced to euthanize his attack dog. However, in many places, if you don't register your friendly little lab, etc and pay the $10 tax, they'll send animal control to take the animal and end up euthanizing it if you don't pay to get it back.
Mauled children are not considered a problem, it's the people who aren't paying us our money that are the big concern. Bureaucrats.
It generally takes multiple attacks before an owner is forced to euthanize his attack dog. However, in many places, if you don't register your friendly little lab, etc and pay the $10 tax, they'll send animal control to take the animal and end up euthanizing it if you don't pay to get it back.
Mauled children are not considered a problem, it's the people who aren't paying us our money that are the big concern. Bureaucrats.
seeker_two
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Having a couple of dogs in that size range, I can agree that they can do some damage--esp. to a young child. But I think shooting him was a little harsh...
My wife's Yorkshire Terrier/Poodle mix is very protective of her...even to the point of growling and attempting to snap at our nephews. In response, we "trained" Butch to accept the boys by having them pet him while my wife or I held him. If Butch tried anything aggressive, I popped him. When he was friendly to them, I rewarded him with affection (he loves belly-rubs) and treats. Now, Butch and the boys play together & he's even protective of them.
I wouldn't have shot your dog for biting your nephew....but I probably would have beat him within an inch of his life. Besides, if you kill 'em, they don't learn nothin'...
W Turner
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I have a neighbor whose dogs are allowed to run free about 75% of the time. One of the last ones he had was a bulldog mix that would routinely run onto the road to bark/growl at me when I was on my morning walk. After he got hit with a couple of good blasts of pepper spray, there was only one more incident and it was the worst one. I started making it a point to walk on the opposite side of the road and he came all the way across the road with his hackles up and growling/barking at me. At this point I had started to carry my 1911 in a fanny pack with me just in case. Just as I drew and was sighting in on his forehead, the owner came running out of the house calling the dog back. The dog turned around and went back to his property.
When the owner came over to talk to me, I let him know in very specific terms that if his dog stepped off of his property in my general direction again, I would not stop shooting until the dog stopped twitching and that I already filed two complaints with the local sheriff's dept.
The dog disappeared two days later.
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When the owner came over to talk to me, I let him know in very specific terms that if his dog stepped off of his property in my general direction again, I would not stop shooting until the dog stopped twitching and that I already filed two complaints with the local sheriff's dept.
The dog disappeared two days later.
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Dogs that bite for no reason can never be trusted and should be put down, especially those that are large enough and fierce enough to do very serious damage.
What I do not understand is why anyone would defend those not keeping their dogs under control.
ALL DOGS MUST BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF A HUMAN BEING AT ALL TIMES. MOST OF THE TIME THIS MEANS BEING ON A LEASH OR INSIDE AN ENCLOSED AREA (with a few exceptions such as when hunting with dogs).
What I do not understand is why anyone would defend those not keeping their dogs under control.
ALL DOGS MUST BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF A HUMAN BEING AT ALL TIMES. MOST OF THE TIME THIS MEANS BEING ON A LEASH OR INSIDE AN ENCLOSED AREA (with a few exceptions such as when hunting with dogs).
fletcher
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That's a good lesson for someone to learn.
Sounds like a completely justified shoot, no facts seem to go against that.
I dunno, maybe I'm just too simple...
If you think of a dog as a piece of property, then just like a gun owning a dog means you have to be a responsible owner.
If you think of a dog as the member of the family, then yes, you ARE the brother's (sons?) keeper.
Regardless the key point is responsibility - do right by the animal so it does right be the humans it may have to interact with in the future, or expect to be held resposible for their behaviors.
guy should have pressed charges.
If you think of a dog as a piece of property, then just like a gun owning a dog means you have to be a responsible owner.
If you think of a dog as the member of the family, then yes, you ARE the brother's (sons?) keeper.
Regardless the key point is responsibility - do right by the animal so it does right be the humans it may have to interact with in the future, or expect to be held resposible for their behaviors.
guy should have pressed charges.
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love all the dogs i ever had have one now almost got put down during dominance fights with another female . i wasn't gonna take a chance on kids getting in the middle of one , i did and got good and gnawed. i took steps to reduce the dominance problems and it worked out . much as i hated to think about it i was willing to get rid of the one that is my dog/(everyone over 2 in my house has a dog 3 total so far)
dogs shouldnt be left alone woth children, children often dont understand that some things they may do can be very threatening to a dog and the dog may then "defend itself" which doesnt really work out for the dog or the child or the dog owner.
we have a family dog, a sweet border collie and she is very nice to people (although a little too happy sometimes) but shes afraid of small kids and such, because theyre small and often loud and stuff...so im not v ery comfortable with kids being with her and such unsupervised...it only takes a second for a dog to go into "self defense" mode, and it can be triggered by small things, i can easily imagine a child acidentaly (or fro whatever reason) its finger into an eye or something...
we have a family dog, a sweet border collie and she is very nice to people (although a little too happy sometimes) but shes afraid of small kids and such, because theyre small and often loud and stuff...so im not v ery comfortable with kids being with her and such unsupervised...it only takes a second for a dog to go into "self defense" mode, and it can be triggered by small things, i can easily imagine a child acidentaly (or fro whatever reason) its finger into an eye or something...
Cosmoline
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I doubt it would "skid off". But the brain is a small target and it would be easy to miss. Esp. on larger breeds there's a lot of muscle and hide around the head. So what you think is a brain shot may not be. This is another reason I prefer a club or spear over a sidearm for these sort of confrontations.
This one appears to be a good shot in a legal sense, but an insufficient cartridge, improper bullet or just poor placement. Which one we can't know because the article doesn't give enough details. Maybe he was using FMJ.
This one appears to be a good shot in a legal sense, but an insufficient cartridge, improper bullet or just poor placement. Which one we can't know because the article doesn't give enough details. Maybe he was using FMJ.
Clipper
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The only fault I see here is the guy didn't give the dog an insurance round in the boiler room.
As for the Jack Russell, I've had JRs for over 15 years, and my stud dog was a 15 inch, 28lb monster of a Jack, and believe me, could deliver a hell of a bite if he wanted. He didn't ever offer to get mean with anyone or other dogs, because I taught him and all my dogs as a pup in no uncertain terms that that was unacceptable behavior, and that people were the boss. That's why he lived a full & happy life.
What kills me are these people who think that a loose dog 'under voice command' is somehow OK. Let me spell it out for you...A dog that is not fenced or on a leash, is (at least in Michigan), IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW! If you like to go hiking, walking or jogging where you are likely to encounter other people, you are endangering them and your dog.
As for the Jack Russell, I've had JRs for over 15 years, and my stud dog was a 15 inch, 28lb monster of a Jack, and believe me, could deliver a hell of a bite if he wanted. He didn't ever offer to get mean with anyone or other dogs, because I taught him and all my dogs as a pup in no uncertain terms that that was unacceptable behavior, and that people were the boss. That's why he lived a full & happy life.
What kills me are these people who think that a loose dog 'under voice command' is somehow OK. Let me spell it out for you...A dog that is not fenced or on a leash, is (at least in Michigan), IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW! If you like to go hiking, walking or jogging where you are likely to encounter other people, you are endangering them and your dog.
woodybrighton
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maybe the fn 5.7mm might put it down first time but thats rounds designed to punch through body armour.
uk police traded in there mp5s for g36 firing 5.56as 9mm did'nt put pit bulls down first shot
uk police traded in there mp5s for g36 firing 5.56as 9mm did'nt put pit bulls down first shot
shooting time
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Yeah dog bites are bad.Here is a picture of the back of my thigh about a week after getting bit from a doberman.And the dog is a real loving dog always licking and looking to be petted.I got between her and a horse she thought was a threat to me and i think she bit me to get me out of the way.It hurt so bad that it brought me down to the ground for a minute before i could move again.
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