another gun cleaning death (two actually)

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My XD, circa 2005, requires that you pull the trigger to disassemble. Lock the slide back, turn the take-down lever, release the slide, pull trigger, remove slide.

I understand that the new XDm does not require this.
 
Most bolt guns I know require the trigger to be pulled to disassemble, but at that point, the bolt is open and moving backwards, instead of the slide moving forwards and possibly chambering a round like a handgun
 
I feel for the womans family.

Bad part of town, 3 time convicted felon with a firearm. He's 39, She's 22. I can see how that could be taken to sound a little fishy.

Senseless death, yes. Would more laws change the out come? No, but that is one more stat for the banners to use.

THe real question is why was this man even out of jail?
Enio Abreu was previously charged with a felony for forging a passport in 1992 and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon in 1997. A few years later he was caught with a gun while soliciting a prostitute. The crimes were committed in Miami Dade County.
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This story has a distinct bad odor to it and I'll wager the truth has yet to come out.

One thing I dont understand, how is it possible for him to even have had a gun in his posession, isn't there a Federal law that prevents felons from having firearms??:scrutiny::rolleyes:
 
Is GLOCK the only handgun design that requires the trigger to be pulled to disassemble the gun?

Do M&Ps or XDs, for example, require it?
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M&Ps and standard XDs require that the slide be locked open before the take-down lever is rotated, so it is much more likely that they are given one last inspection for unloadedness before the slide is closed and the trigger is pulled. In addition, the M&P requires that a wire (lever?) inside ejection port be moved. This practically forces one to visually check whether the chamber is empty and magazine has been removed.
 
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I guess I told my story to say that a gun can go off without a deliberate act of pulling the trigger while wiping a gun down. I'm not saying this guy is without guilt, but it could easily happen no matter what his past is.
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No. The gun can easily DISCHARGE, but people only die if he:

- Didn't treat the gun as loaded
- Didn't keep the muzzle in a safe direction
- Didn't keep his finger off trigger
- Didn't check is his "safe direction" was indeed safe

So, while anyone can "paint" someone with a loaded gun, or have a ND / AD, only an idiot will kill someone by painting them with bad trigger control, while loaded with no cover....
 
Another preventable tragedy.

I don't think he would've shot himself if he planned on killing his wife & child.

Probably was fooling around with a loaded pistol.
 
Most bolt guns I know require the trigger to be pulled to disassemble, but at that point, the bolt is open and moving backwards, instead of the slide moving forwards and possibly chambering a round like a handgun
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The U.S. Krag Jorgenson and the No 4 Mark 1 Lee-Enfield DO NOT require the trigger to be pulled to disassemble the piece for cleaning.
 
jnyork said:
One thing I dont understand, how is it possible for him to even have had a gun in his posession, isn't there a Federal law that prevents felons from having firearms??
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What do you not understand about the saying, "When they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"?

Criminals will ALWAYS be able to get guns illegally and that is a MAJOR argument for the pro-gun agenda. Why should the good people have to disarm?

I was talking to a former co-worker about guns and he's from NYC. He told me he knew several people who bought/sold guns from the trunk of their cars in NYC. :rolleyes:
 
it once again shows gun owners as buffoons.
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Gun "owner"? Calling this FELON a gun owner is like calling a rapist a "lover".

But, in some small sense, you're right. The stupid masses will ignore the illegal gun ownership part and automatically apply it to EVERY gun owner. :rolleyes:
 
I will never understand how you clean a loaded gun.
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Same here. I have plenty of Glocks too which require pulling the trigger, but I still don't understand how somebody would go to clean their gun and not check the chamber/mag-well before doing so.

Even more bizarre was a local doctor whom I know who shot himself in the hand while cleaning his revolver, although that one I think was intentional to get on disability.

Very sad.... and entirely preventable.
 
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You have to pull the trigger on XDs but you'd REALLY have to be stupid to pull the slide back, lock it open, twist the lever up, drop the slide and fire without noticing a bullet in the chamber or a mag in the gun.
 
They've been talking about this all day on our local news and there's been a lot of skepticism. Also by all rights even it was an accident he was committing a crime by simply possessing the firearm, and since it resulted in a death he should probably be charged with manslaughter just like a person who hits and kills a person with a car while driving on the revoked list can be charged. Simply put negligent or not this would have never happened if he didn't illegally possess a firearm.
 
Considering his background I find it very hard to believe it was accidental. Hopefully he ends up where he belongs.
 
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I wonder how many "negligent discharges" are called "cleaning accidents"
What's the difference?
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Some people believe there are no "accidents" with guns, thus no "accidental discharges", just "negligent discharges" meaning more your fault for not handling the weapon safely.

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Is GLOCK the only handgun design that requires the trigger to be pulled to disassemble the gun?

Do M&Ps or XDs, for example, require it?
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I have a M&P 45 and to disassemble it for cleaning you have to remove the mag, lock the slide back, and flip a little lever down just below the action. As i see it, it's not possible to do this loaded. Also, no trigger-pull to take it down.

If this has been addressed, i apologize. I didnt read all the posts before i commented on this.
 
I have a feeling this guy didn't want a child or possibly a female child.

He may not be smart but the old shoot your self to make it look accidental or like an assualt etc is the plot of about a dozen tv shows.

OCSO is treating this as a homocide.
 
I can easily see how this could happen. Guy drops the mag, never even checking the chamber. Maybe he never loads it and his wife did, or he forgot, eetc. Then he puts one hand in front of the muzzle to help push back the slide and pulls the trigger prior to getting a good grip on the grip.

BAM, bullet goes through his hand and into his wife sitting in a chair at the end of the coffee table.

I suspect "cleaning the gun" meant he was wiping down the exterior and perhaps planning on swabing the barrel.
 
Does it matter what pistols have what types of actions and safeties? We've seen this happen with everything from semi-autos to revolvers to bolt action hunting rifles.

When you make something idiot proof someone will simply make a bigger idiot.
 
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