TexasRifleman
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1911Tuner said:
Heck, the ATF classified a shoe string as a machine gun if you'll remember :banghead:
Another idiot spreading misinformation
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Heck, the ATF classified a shoe string as a machine gun if you'll remember :banghead:
Creeping Incrementalism
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Small town vs. Big town USA
What you did might not be idiotic in Shwnee, Kansas, but, having worked and gone to school in Berkeley/Oakland/San Francisco, you would most definitely be dumb to butt in and critisize someone over NFA weapons around here. They are likely to own one and be unreceptive to criticism.
Me and my friends don't even like to let it be known that we are gun owners, because once it becomes known, we inevitably get feelers from people looking to sell NFA stuff.
What you did might not be idiotic in Shwnee, Kansas, but, having worked and gone to school in Berkeley/Oakland/San Francisco, you would most definitely be dumb to butt in and critisize someone over NFA weapons around here. They are likely to own one and be unreceptive to criticism.
Me and my friends don't even like to let it be known that we are gun owners, because once it becomes known, we inevitably get feelers from people looking to sell NFA stuff.
HankB
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Probably a fair portion of them are BATmen trying to fill some of the available rooms at Club Fed . . .
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Kramer Krazy said:Missashot and I were in a pawn shop the other day....one we've never been in before. I was busy trying to make out makes and models of handguns in the over crowded display case, when an older gentleman came in wanting to get a double-barrel shotgun. I missed the conversation, but Missashot heard it. She told me, later when we were pulling out of the parking lot, that the gentleman was looking for a shotgun because his house was broken into recently. He wanted a shorter double-barrel than they had to offer, but the two employees (owners?) told him that he could cut it down to any size he wanted.There was no mention of it being a felony if the barrel was too short or it the overall length was too short. They then tried steering the guy to a pump shotgun. They were telling him that simply racking the action would make an intruder run.
If I'd heard of what what transpiring, I'd have probably told the man that what he was thinking of doing may have been highly illegal and may make him a felon if caught. I sure hope he wound up legal if he bought anything there. I'd hate to think that the salespeople convinced this guy to just cut the shotgun down. We've decided to not go to that place, again.
There will always be the occasional BS seller. I'd overheard a fast-talking seller at a show trying to convice a guy and his girlfriend/wife/whatever that a POS Davis .22 derringer would be an ideal self-defense weapon for her.
SKS full auto
The Chinese redesigned the SKS so that it could take the AK47 magazine and I think called it the SKK. selective fire weapon.clever cross utilization of machinery they already had and were using.how controlable it would have been I dont know but it was possible and was done.I think I have seen ads for these conversion to AK 47 30 round magazines in US magazines but only for semiautos..
The Chinese redesigned the SKS so that it could take the AK47 magazine and I think called it the SKK. selective fire weapon.clever cross utilization of machinery they already had and were using.how controlable it would have been I dont know but it was possible and was done.I think I have seen ads for these conversion to AK 47 30 round magazines in US magazines but only for semiautos..
Not any more!
"I think I have seen ads for these conversion to AK 47 30 round magazines in US magazines but only for semiautos."
I believe the BATF terminated this simple and relatively harmless upgrade long about 1988. You know, to save the children and all that. As if Patrick Purdy needed to return fire when he was shooting up the schoolyard..........
"I think I have seen ads for these conversion to AK 47 30 round magazines in US magazines but only for semiautos."
I believe the BATF terminated this simple and relatively harmless upgrade long about 1988. You know, to save the children and all that. As if Patrick Purdy needed to return fire when he was shooting up the schoolyard..........
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justashooter, not only will the SKS stay together under FA fire, it's quite easy to make it do that - and not with slamfiring, either.
I'm not planning on doing this, but since I'm constantly furthering my knowledge on what's possible (might get a SOT eventually) - the SKS can be converted to FA with a part that would take 30 minutes, at most, to machine. Easy for Joe Average? Not really. Easy for a country (China, etc.) to do overall? You bet.
I'm not planning on doing this, but since I'm constantly furthering my knowledge on what's possible (might get a SOT eventually) - the SKS can be converted to FA with a part that would take 30 minutes, at most, to machine. Easy for Joe Average? Not really. Easy for a country (China, etc.) to do overall? You bet.
1911Tuner
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Full Auto
There are a good many semi-auto weapons/firearms/plinkers around that can be converted to full-auto fire easily and...usually safely. They're a lot of fun and they burn up ammo at a frightening rate...and quickly lose their charm.
Trouble is, that most are altered permanently to fire in that mode with no quick/easy means to convert them back to legal status. If you send them to the manufacturer for "repair"...and you draw a repairman who is a stickler,
you could find yourself on the wrong side of a federal witness stand. (And the factory armorers know what you've done.)
The question remains...Are you willing to risk 5 years out of your life and 10 grand...or several months of stress and worry and 25 grand to come clear...
AND possibly the loss of the right to own a gun over what amounts to a
(more or less) useless toy that you can't sell or even give away. About all you can do is put it away and hope that you never have occasion to be on the receiving end of a search warrant. Willing to do that...over a toy? Not I.
There are a good many semi-auto weapons/firearms/plinkers around that can be converted to full-auto fire easily and...usually safely. They're a lot of fun and they burn up ammo at a frightening rate...and quickly lose their charm.
Trouble is, that most are altered permanently to fire in that mode with no quick/easy means to convert them back to legal status. If you send them to the manufacturer for "repair"...and you draw a repairman who is a stickler,
you could find yourself on the wrong side of a federal witness stand. (And the factory armorers know what you've done.)
The question remains...Are you willing to risk 5 years out of your life and 10 grand...or several months of stress and worry and 25 grand to come clear...
AND possibly the loss of the right to own a gun over what amounts to a
(more or less) useless toy that you can't sell or even give away. About all you can do is put it away and hope that you never have occasion to be on the receiving end of a search warrant. Willing to do that...over a toy? Not I.
RaetherEnt
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Originally Posted by gmarshall139
Whatever happened to an armed society being a polite society? I would've asked you to butt out in no uncertain terms.
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Originally posted by USP9
Ditto that thought. You went out of your way to make a guy look bad in front of his kid. That is ALWAYS bad form and classless. Raetherent, you were the ignorant one in this case.
I was in no way trying to be impolite, nor trying to make someone look bad in front of his kid. I was simply trying to educate them on the realities of the rifle, and the legalities of an illegal automatic weapon.
I guess you are right, I could have said nothing. Then maybe they would have in fact purchased an SKS, and found some hairbrained plan to convert it online. Only to take it to the range, and wonder why they were being drug away by law-enforcement shortly thereafter.
So, in my opinion, by doing what I did, I taught two individuals that:
1) Cabela's does NOT, in fact, sell machine guns, and
2) Automatic weapons are NOT legal for the general public to own.
I may have kept this father, son, or friends of either or both from jail because they were previously misinformed. THAT was the polite thing to do.
gmarshall139, usp9, I write this not because I wish to flame either of you, because I do not. I have read your posts for some time and know that both of you are intelligent and reasonable folks.
That's all I'm gonna say about that...
Originally Posted by gmarshall139
Whatever happened to an armed society being a polite society? I would've asked you to butt out in no uncertain terms.
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Originally posted by USP9
Ditto that thought. You went out of your way to make a guy look bad in front of his kid. That is ALWAYS bad form and classless. Raetherent, you were the ignorant one in this case.
I was in no way trying to be impolite, nor trying to make someone look bad in front of his kid. I was simply trying to educate them on the realities of the rifle, and the legalities of an illegal automatic weapon.
I guess you are right, I could have said nothing. Then maybe they would have in fact purchased an SKS, and found some hairbrained plan to convert it online. Only to take it to the range, and wonder why they were being drug away by law-enforcement shortly thereafter.
So, in my opinion, by doing what I did, I taught two individuals that:
1) Cabela's does NOT, in fact, sell machine guns, and
2) Automatic weapons are NOT legal for the general public to own.
I may have kept this father, son, or friends of either or both from jail because they were previously misinformed. THAT was the polite thing to do.
gmarshall139, usp9, I write this not because I wish to flame either of you, because I do not. I have read your posts for some time and know that both of you are intelligent and reasonable folks.
That's all I'm gonna say about that...
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Tory said:"The SKS was designed to be easily converted to a safe fully functional full auto in a matter of minutes.
The the instructions were on the last page of the original SKS Chi Com manual that came with my new Chi Com SKS (years ago)."
Given that the SKS had a 10-round, fixed magazine, why bother?
Mine doesn't. It takes Chinese AK47 magazines.
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Mannlicher
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Sometimes its best to just keep your own mouth zipped. I bet most of us don't want, or welcome a perfect stranger butting in, and pontificating. 
Crom
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Mannlicher said:Sometimes its best to just keep your own mouth zipped. I bet most of us don't want, or welcome a perfect stranger butting in, and pontificating.
+1.
I feel the same way. I don't appreciate butt-in-skis. The OP is lucky the guy was even-tempered. Otherwise the situation might have gotten very ugly, very fast.
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To those who don't think the original poster should not have butted in.
This is America, if he wanted to speak to them he can. If this offends them in anyway, they can be offended. Thats what we like to call freedom. Every action has a consequense and if you try to help someone by imparting information an they say something rude back then fine. Some may consider entering someone's conversation rude, but being rude back is still a choice they can make if they want, but its not nessacarily something they are entitled too. I hate how people in this country love to play the victim.
What if the guy wasn't even tempered, is he going to take a swing at you for saying something to him? He might, thats a risk you take.
Brother in Arms
This is America, if he wanted to speak to them he can. If this offends them in anyway, they can be offended. Thats what we like to call freedom. Every action has a consequense and if you try to help someone by imparting information an they say something rude back then fine. Some may consider entering someone's conversation rude, but being rude back is still a choice they can make if they want, but its not nessacarily something they are entitled too. I hate how people in this country love to play the victim.
What if the guy wasn't even tempered, is he going to take a swing at you for saying something to him? He might, thats a risk you take.
Brother in Arms
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Making a judgment that the guy was wasting his time and butting in on somebody else's business has nothing to do with the freedoms about which you speak...just about the lack of judgment that some folks display by feeling the necessity to tell others how to live their lives.
Double Naught Spy
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And another idiot spreading misinformation...
So because the father provided the son with misinformation you thought it was okay to provide the father with misinformation as well, thereby inflating the penalty for modifying a firearms to full auto from up to 10 years to the majority of his adult life? As near as I can estimate you inflated the penalty by 2.6 times or more, the average male in the US living to be 70, having an adult life of 52 years, half being 26 years.
Since when is 10 years a greater amount of time than 26 years?
Oh sure, like all the good educators that provide nothing but the best education when they pissed off in a self described condition of boiling blood, you educated the man, wrongly, but you educated him with misinformation.
So, is your misinformation was apparently better than his misinformation?
RaetherEnt said:Son: So the SKS, is that like a fully automatic machine gun?
Father: Oh yeah.
Immediately my blood boils, and I interject...
"No, it is a semi-automatic rifle, meaning you pull the trigger once, it fires one round, pull it again, it fires one more round."
Father: Well, yeah, but you can make it fully automatic.
"Sure you could", I tell him, "If one, you knew what the hell you were doing, and two, you didn't mind spending the majority of your adult life in prison."
:banghead:
So because the father provided the son with misinformation you thought it was okay to provide the father with misinformation as well, thereby inflating the penalty for modifying a firearms to full auto from up to 10 years to the majority of his adult life? As near as I can estimate you inflated the penalty by 2.6 times or more, the average male in the US living to be 70, having an adult life of 52 years, half being 26 years.
Since when is 10 years a greater amount of time than 26 years?
Oh sure, like all the good educators that provide nothing but the best education when they pissed off in a self described condition of boiling blood, you educated the man, wrongly, but you educated him with misinformation.
So, is your misinformation was apparently better than his misinformation?
Brother in Arms
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The situation is completely about judgment and choices. Which has everything to do with the freedoms I wrote about.
The original poster had the choices, to say something, to not say something, to say what he said, or something totally different.
The people having the conversation had choices too, to not say anything back, to say thanks for your interest but we are having a private conversation, or to be jerks or any number of things.
We all have choices in life, all the time, and we have to be responsible for those choices.
The original poster had the choices, to say something, to not say something, to say what he said, or something totally different.
The people having the conversation had choices too, to not say anything back, to say thanks for your interest but we are having a private conversation, or to be jerks or any number of things.
We all have choices in life, all the time, and we have to be responsible for those choices.
Brother in Arms
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Interesting point Double Naught spy.
Brother in Arms
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This thread reminds me of the other thread...
Let me look for it... Oh, here it is:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=181076
Just messing with you... LOL.
-Pat
Let me look for it... Oh, here it is:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=181076
Just messing with you... LOL.
-Pat
Balog
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I think what many people are trying to point out is a certain lack of technique. Pointing out the illegality of converting to FA is fine; being arrogant and condescending is probably less helpful.
Scoupe
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RaetherEnt said:
Um, #2 is not quite correct. True, in Kansas one can't own FA, but in many states it is perfectly legal to own them. It's just a little more complicated and a lot more expensive.
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BigFatKen said:
I always wondered why the Govt. murdered all those people. Thought Reno just hated religion.
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usp9 said:I always wondered why the Govt. murdered all those people. Thought Reno just hated religion.
The following is attributed to U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno: "A cultist is one who has a strong belief in the Bible and the Second Coming of Christ; who frequently attends Bible's studies; who has a high level of financial giving to a Christian cause; who home schools for their children; who has accumulated survival foods and has a strong belief in the Second Amendment; and who distrust big government. Any of these may qualify but certainly more than one would cause us to look at this person as a threat, and his family as being in a risk situation that qualified for government interference."
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