Another Poll About Drawing your Firearm

For those civilians and off-duty LEOs who have drawn a firearm to counter a threat:

  • The presentation of my firearm ended the threat

    Votes: 46 97.9%
  • The presentation of my firearm escalted the threat.

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Total voters
    47
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There is another poll going that asks whether you have/have not ever drawn your firearm to counter a threat - and whether you have/have not discharged your firearm to counter a threat.

I would like to pose a different question strictly for those civilians or off-duty LEOs that have drawn a firearm to counter a threat.

The question:

In your opinion, did the presentation of your firearm END the threat -or ESCALATE the threat.


The reason for my question:

Antis in my world are convinced that the sight of a defensive firearm will usually cause the assailant to escalate their assault, resulting in an "Old West shoot-out" in which innocent victims will be needlessly injured. All the fault of the defender who "had to carry a gun" instead of being a cooperative victim. They believe if we don't resist - nobody gets hurt.
 
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Interesting concept.

I remember a retired school teacher - widowed - telling me her son and brother-in-law were encouraging her to get her CHL. Her fear was, "If I ever did have to use the gun, it would probably just be taken and used against me."

Textbook.

My response is if I were armed and you were the BG, would you try to take the gun away or escalate? On the other hand, if you encounter someone crazed enough to try to take your gun away, that is the exact situation you need a gun! It's not like the jacked up BG is going to be nicer because you were unarmed.
 
Yes, the presentation of my handgun ended the threat offered me by a man with a crowbar.

L.W.
 
On duty as well as off-duty, the results are always the same.

My firearm being drawn after I have been confronted by some 'dimwit' intent on doing me serious physical harm (usually with a ball bat, iron bar or edged weapon) seems to convince them that they have come to this particular confrontation woefully under-equipped.

Silly thugs. :D
 
The way I see it, when presented with deadly force by a criminal, drawing the gun will ALWAYS end the situation.

The criminal will either run away, or be shot until he stops threatening your life. Either way, the situation is effectively ended.

The one situation where this does not apply is when you are faced with deadly force by a criminal with a gun. In this situation, it is up to the CCWer as to whether they should draw or not. A hard call, but assuming the politics that an unarmed law-abiding citizen whose life is threatened with a gun is better than an armed law-abiding citizen is threatened with a gun is simply ignorant.

In the first situation, the criminal either robs the law-abiding citizen and gets away, or shoots the law-abiding citizen, robs them, then gets away.

In the second situation, the criminal either robs the law-abiding citizen and gets away, or gets shot.

So it comes down to, would you rather have the good guy be shot, or the bad guy be shot?
 
As I have previously stated, I travel a lot, and always have. I am exposed to many more people in a month than most. I have had to brandish a firearm three times other than the one time I had to actually fire on someone.

Remember, I'm not talking about being out looking for a fight. I'm talking about nearly thirty years of putting in excess of one hundred thousand miles a year on my car. (Fortunately that has tapered off to something approaching reasonable in the last five years; about forty to fifty thousand miles a year.) I've seen more of the inside of my car or truck over the years than I have of the inside of my house.

The three times that come readily to mind all happened over five years ago. One was a case of mistaken identity. No $@#! there we were... I was in Colorado and a guy chased me into a parking lot and got out of his car with an ax. I pulled my Vaquero and he stopped dead in his tracks. He kept his distance and accused me of sleeping with his wife. I'd never met his wife and had been out of town for military training (I was stationed at Ft. Carson). I had just driven back into Colorado Springs from Maryland. I'd been on the road for three days, and I had been at Aberdene Proving Grounds going to school and working on the Xm1 project (yep the Abrams tank while it was still an experimental model) for the previous four months. The guy was a bit ashamed of himself and actually said that it was probably good that I was carrying because it was only the possibility of getting shot that originally kept him from opening my skull like a melon.

Now I have no idea how many potential fights might have been avoided in Colorado since I was carrying openly, but that was about the only thing that really stands out other than the fire fight I ended up in Denver when I was a courier, but that one doesn't count in this case because the BG's opened fire before I had a chance to even draw. What saved my life in that instance was quick reflexes and perps who were lousy shots.

The next instance happened after I was out (about seven years later) in Florida. I don't know exactly what happened, but I was driving my 81 Monte Carlo and some guy tried to run me off the road with a Plymouth Horizon. My car was bigger and I just hit the gas and moved on. The problem came when he caught up with me at a traffic light. I was boxed in and he ran up and yanked my door open, and he had a huge bowie knife in his hand. I stuck my Taurus model 85 right into his crotch and cocked the hammer back. He decided that whatever had made him angry wasn't worth losing the family jewels over and backed off. Like I said I have no idea what happened, we didn't exchange many words. The traffic was heavy and it's possible I could have accidentally cut him off while changing lanes if he was in my blind spot, but he never said, and the light turned green and I was able to drive away and leave him standing there holding his gonads in a protective manner.

The last instance happened about three years or so after that. A pickup truck with two young men in it tried to make a right hand turn from the left hand lane and we both had to do some fancy driving to avoid an accident. The driver of the truck got road rage and decided the whole thing was my fault. They followed me until I turned into a gas station (two blocks from the local police station) they drove up the road a bit then turned around and came back. They jumped out of their truck with baseball bats. I reached in the center console and grabbed my trusty Taurus. They got back into their truck and drove like maniacs to the cop shop. I drove to the same destination (after paying for my gas) and presented myself to the officer the two young men were frantically talking to. The police officer (someone I knew from running EMS in the area, and helping to train K-9s) explained to the two goofballs that baseball bats are just as deadly as guns and I had a right to defend myself. Interestingly, he even told made them stay with him while I drove away so that they wouldn't be able to follow me. (Sometimes the cops can be quite reasonable in such a situation, but it probably helped that he knew me.)

Mostly though, if confronted with a road rage situation my first inclination is to apologize: even an apologetic gesture can defuse the situation most of the time. It's taken me a while to learn that lesson, but even if it is the other guys fault, apologize. You'd be amazed how quickly you can disarm the situation without the threat of any kind of force providing you don't wait until things get physical. If that doesn't seem to be working and I am still in my car I simply head for the nearest police station. I don't think I would pull a gun now unless the other guy managed to run me off the road, or he opens fire (or at least brandishes a gun).

As for other situations, I just don't get involved in scrapes much. Although I was in a convenience store when it was robbed one time. I just stood passively until the guy started yelling for everyone to give up their wallets. He had a knife and I was standing next to the canned goods. I'm no Satchel Page, but I can wing a can of tomato soup pretty hard when it's necessary,and those things hurt when they hit you in the chest.;)
 
I recently read in the National Self-Defense Survey (Kleck, Gertz) that the incidence of victim injury in assaults where the the victim resists with a firearm is 17%. This is significantly less than the 25% injured in assaults in which the victim offers no resistance.
 
A guy tried to run a friend and I off of the Interstate in the middle of the night back around '84. Showing him a loaded HK-93 reminded him of urgent business elsewhere. There's a non-zero chance it was since executed serial killer Alton Coleman. I wish it had been him for sure and he hadn't taken the hint. A couple of people in Ohio would probably still be alive.
 
do not draw unless youare going to use it.If I draw I will pull the trigger...

I've read a lot of comments like this. It doesn't account for the fact that (according to the National Self-Defense Survey) as much as 98% of the successful defensive uses of a firearm do not include firing the weapon. Based on our small sample of responses so far, the ratio is 96%.

My conclusion from all that is: When the attacker sees your weapon, soils himself, and runs away - you don't necessarily have to chase after them firing your gun.
 
do not draw unless youare going to use it.If I draw I will pull the trigger

My Colonel used to be the same way. He'd tell me, "Mr. Griffiths, it's my policy that you shouldn't draw your gun unless you're going to use it." To which I replied, "Colonel, every time I draw my gun, I use it!" Never had to shoot anyone, but I can remember at least three times when the only reason I didn't have to shoot a goblin was because I had my weapon out, and he couldn't outdraw a trigger-pull!
 
tblt said:
do not draw unless youare going to use it.If I draw I will pull the trigger
Have you thought this through in accordance with the laws of your state and with plausible self defense situations in mind?

If you draw and the attacker turns tail and runs, or drops his pistol, or in any other way becomes no longer a threat to your life, it might be best not to fire.

Now, if what you meant was, "If I draw, I had better have the will to shoot if it is still necessary," then I can completely agree.
 
not a pistol, but the sound of a racking shotgun. broke up a fight where a guy was on the ground being beatin by a tire iron. The guy with the iron droped it and ran. I think me saying something to the effect... "Stop you !@$%@(%^@ OR I'll blow your $@!%%(# head off" Might have also helped.
 
WC:
I like that drawing! You could start a "Draw Your Weapon" thread and folks could send in their drawings...Oh wait...that means we'd have to be able to draw...and upload images...and download images...nevermind. ;)
 
Yes I have had to show my weapon and it did defuse to situation.

Rapidly!

But, I advocate that your weapon should only be drawn only as a last resort and with the intent to use it!!
 
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