Another School Shooting - Lancaster County PA

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Oh, God.

I am so indescribably angry at this very definition of a monster.

I cannot think of a more defenseless group of victims.
 
ANOTHER school shooting.

This one at an Amish School in Pennsylvania. What the HELL? There have been a rash of these things lately. I'm beginning to think schools need better security.

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NICKEL MINES, Pa. — Two female students and one older female — who may have been a teacher's aide — were shot and killed execution style when an armed truck driver entered a one-room Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster County Monday, according to Pennsylvania police.

State Police Commissioner Jeffrey Miller said three children were found shot dead at the scene, along with the suspect, who shot himself. At least seven more victims — some critically wounded — were transported to nearby hospitals, he said. One of the victims, a young girl, died in the arms of a trooper, Miller said. He could not confirm how many people died en route or at the hospital. The county coroner earlier reported six children killed.

The gunman brought in pieces of wood to board up the doors to the building when he entered the school, Miller said.

"It appears that the suspect entered school with the intention of taking hostages," he added.

The gunman also had wire ties and plastic flex cuff, which he used to begin tying the hostages feet together. He let the male students, as well as one adult female who was pregnant, to leave. Three other non-student females with infants were also allowed to leave. One shotgun and one handgun was found next to the suspect when police entered the building.
 
Yes, the Amish aren't pacifists, they just reject the modern "conveniences" like electricity and internal combustion engines.

Not entirely accurate. Amish, Quakers, and Mennonites are traditionally pacifist sects of Christianity. The Amish and Mennonite pacifism tradition goes back almost 500 years to Muenster Germany (1534). Without going into a lot of church history, the episode there convinced many anabaptists to foreswear violence of any sort. This does not rule out hunting, and there are those members of these groups who will use long guns for hunting, but handguns and violence is strictly forbidden for many of them. I have been a member of a Mennonite church, and was extremely unusual in that I had a CCW. Friends of mine who had served as police or in the military were not allowed to join certain churches because of their past.

An Amish school might have attendees who owned long guns for hunting, but they would never consider them for self defense.

This is a very sad day, and it is bad enough without the media and other antis doing what they like to do best - blame the rest of society for a single nut case.
 
No Child Left Behind should be replaced, with:

No Teacher Left Unarmed!

Hey, it works pretty well for the Israelis, why not try it here?
 
I live in berks county. I cannot believe this crap has happened after last weeks anti-gun rally in harrisburg. Those poor little girls. Why the amish? I just a shame.
 
I just don't get it.

Many foolish people will argue that availability of guns is the issue. This, of course, is patent nonsense. Guns are more restricted now than they used to be.

However, I don't think you had a lot of incidents like this back in, say, the fifties, sixties, and seventies.

What's going on? Where is this impluse coming from, where every nutjob that manages to steal a piece wants to go shoot up a school?
 
My heart goes out to the victims and the community. I had a chance to meet some of them this summer, and they are great people. This sort of thing should not happen.
 
I can feel a ban coming. Time to snatch up all the EBRs and hanguns I can before its too late.
 
Need more funding for schools to put in metal detectors and armed guards.
 
Maybe the Brady Bunch are paying people to do it. I think it has to do with the way people are raised nowadays. Mommy and daddy don't take responsibility for their actions, why should I?
 
Need more funding for schools to put in metal detectors and armed guards.

Don't know if that would've helped a one-room schoolhouse in Amish country. Other than that, I agree. Problems with that, coming from someone who's worked three security jobs now.

-Everyone says they want good security, nobody really does. Good security is a pain in the butt.
-Most people want to pay security guards eight bucks an hour, if that. You don't tend to get or keep people you'd want to trust your life to for minimum wage +2.
-If you pay your guards better, that means more costs. Then there's equipping them. You can have them provide their own gear, but then, how do you determine that they're competent with it?

Personally, I think large public schools would do better to spend money on two armed, halfway competent guards to be on duty during school hours than spending it on athletic equipment for half a dozen team sports.

(At least, in my old high school, the football team had new gear while our textbooks were the better part of a decade out of date.)

And then, of course, you run into the problem of foolish people not being comfortable with armed guards at school. "It's not safe!" they exclaim.

*sigh* No, they'd much rather have congress pass a law. It won't do anything, but it'll make somebody feel good. And that's what's really important, right? :rolleyes:
 
Line little girls up and shoot them in the head because of some 20 year old grudge??? I'm beyond words.:fire:
 
Phenom said:
Maybe the Brady Bunch are paying people to do it.
I used to think the agent provocateur argument was total hogwash. Now, I'm not so sure. There are plenty of instances in history where a political organization is willing to sacrifice innocent lives to achieve a goal. Notice how these things tend to increase around election times?:scrutiny:
 
Schools need to allow _and encourage_ random armed faculty members.

That's even less likely to happen than armed guards in schools.

Israeli schools have professional armed security, or so I understand. And I mean professional; in a country with frequent and violent terrorist attacks, being a security guard isn't a joke like it is over here.

Over here? They're just "rent-a-cops". Let's pay 'em six bucks an hour, give 'em an old revolver with some .38 semiwadcutter and a flap holster. Good enough.

Or, "we'll just get cameras". Cameras record incidents, they don't prevent them...
 
This recent rash of school shootings has me boggled. What's going on in peoples' heads? Canada too has been seeing this sort of crap lately. I cannot fathom, for the life of me, what would induce a human being to commit such a dastardly act. How could it be that their lives are so miserable that they are compelled to commit such heinous acts? I just can't seem to figure out WTH is going on with some people ...
 
Some of you haven't been reading the previous posts in this thread. The Amish are pacificists who practice non-violence. Even if they were required by state law to be armed, Amish teachers would not carry guns. The whole armed teacher debate is irrelevant in this case.
 
aiding and abetting

You would think the NEWS media, in particular, TV, would be more discreet in giving glaring publicity to these psychos, but they continue to provide the thrill or recognition or whatever these types are seeking, so that they are incited.

They media did this too during Vietnam with the results that on the day of the last peace talks in Paris, and the North Vietnamese ready to capulate -by their own admission later, the NEWS began to show anti war demostrations somewhere, and the enemy decided one more time to hold out!

Now, it is anti gun fanfare at every opportunity. Reguardless of the murderers it may encourage.

I'll support the U.S. Constitution always, but my TV set has to go. It's a waste any way you look at it.

This also is the subject on another forum about school security.
I'm firmly convinced, and this man's plan to board the school up and take hostages only supports my conclusion, that it would be better to have the children flee from the site. Read the forum.
Having them herded and unable to escape only increases the potential for more casualties in instances like these.
 
Unbelievable. What kind of animal does something like this?

That's an insult to animals. I can't think of one that behaves in a similar manner.

Monster is more appropriate.

But then that's an insult to Frankenstein and Dracula. I can't think of a word to describe such a human being.
 
Quote from AP article by By MARK SCOLFORO:

"Roberts was not Amish and apparently had no particular grudge against the Amish community, Miller said. Instead, Miller said, he apparently picked the school because it was close by, there were girls there, and it had little or no security."
 
school shooting/ Amish question

As you may know, a creep shot some young female
students at an Amish school.
My question is, do the Amish own guns? if so
are they resricted to black powder or the like?
I don't know anything about them-do they believe in self defense?
 
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