Anti-Gun Mural

[cyclist]

Robert,
Yeah, I probably meant to use "work" instead of "medium", but to me the word "work" implies that there is a progression of a body of work to back it up and reinforce the artist's viewpoint.

dave_pro2a,
If I scaled that model down to actual size and unbent the barrel it looks like the barrel would be about 16"-18" long.

 

[TimboKhan]

Where would pro-gun murals be allowed in public? And how about a pro-gun speech in a public school? Do you think that will be allowed? Of course not

A pro-gun mural should be allowed anywhere that a anti-gun mural would be allowed, but I don't think that there are lots of pro-gun wall mural painters around. Maybe in Texas.

As far as a pro-gun speech in school, while rare, it's not impossible. I teach a pro-2A point of view, and the NRA has the Eddie the Eagle program. Also, there are high school NRA clubs, although they are somewhat rare.

No argument from me, TimboKahn. Since anything can be art, everything is art. All else is taste and everyone's taste is as good as every other person's taste. No one has the right to say what is good art and what is bad art. All we know is what we like.

I never said that you can't say what is good and what is bad, and I know that you were trying to zing me throughout your post with clever sarcasm, but you were essentially right. There are critics of Michaelangelo, you know. Not many, but there are some. I don't know that I would go so far as to say that everything is art, but a lot is. That doesn't mean that you can't say something sucks, and everyone does have their own eye for what they like. Sorry, but your cleverly crafted response was more true that you yourself will believe.

 

[Robert Hairless]

TimboKahn, no: I was not trying to "zing" you. I was commenting on the times and what it considers "art." I understand that you share those views and defend them.

But consider my advanced age and allow me to persist in my thinking that the graphic arts, industrial design, illustration, comic book art, found art, and graffiti are different from one another and from what I consider to be art. Good design is indeed better than bad, and Raymond Loewy did make valuable contributions, but I was brainwashed to think that the classic Coke bottle and the old Studebaker steering wheel were different both in kind and significance from sculptural achievements such as Michelangelo's once again. I recognize that because you have a different set of values you're undoubtedly right and I'm undeniably wrong. That's just the way things are and I accept them.

Your values are even better than mine because they are instinctive and require no knowledge: you get at once everything the object has to offer and you can move on to the next object without hesitation. It must be satisfying and certainly is democratic. "I like it" or "I don't like it" place the esthetic achievement nicely.

Psychic powers have also been expanded greatly and widely dispersed in the past couple of generations, which makes your comment "Sorry, but your cleverly crafted response was more true that you yourself will believe." In my younger days it was mainly The Shadow, Nathaniel Hawthorne, and a few crackpots who knew what evil lurks in the heart of man. Now everyone does. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

These are, to me, indeed wonderful times. I continue to benefit from the freedom. Kitchen table gunsmithing is no longer the final frontier. As soon as I can find a decent course in Brain Surgery at Home I might pursue that interest and set myself up in practice. It has occurred to me that I probably don't even need to take a course, and I won't if it involves much reading or study. I bought a mask, gown, and a knife, which is all anyone needs to be a surgeon. And if it doesn't work out I can still be an artist. Or maybe a Seal. Lots of them are around too. Can't be too hard to be one.

 

[TimboKhan]

Your values are even better than mine because they are instinctive and require no knowledge:

I sincerely doubt that's true. Different, certainly, but I very much doubt that I have better values than you. The key is that we both have values to begin with!

Also, I didn't mean to come off as confrontational, so I apologize if I did: I was actually being sincere with the "cleverly crafted response" thing, because it was a pretty good response!

I guess our only real point of contention in this largely philosophical discussion is how we view things. I certainly agree that there are works of art that are "better", or as you more accurately say, more signifigant than others. However, that doesn't mean that the art found in everyday objects is any less "arty", it is just less signifigant in it's impact. I have to run as my lunch is over, but I am really enjoying this conversation!!!

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

That so called "art" looks like the storyboard for the first couple minutes of Michael Jackson's hit video "Thriller". I don't, however, recall any connection to guns in that video. Maybe Michael was CCWing.

Is the title of that ATF drawing "Waco"? THR has MUCH better ATF pictures Maybe the "artist" in the OP can enter ATF's contest next year and win the 6 1/2 year old category if Dixon's crayon skills haven't improved.

I prefer to think guns make us citizens and would portray a scene from the Warsaw Ghetto resistance but that's just me.

 

[Cosmoline]

I hate to disappoint you but I don't think that there's any firearm that can turn you into a werewolf.

I heard if you put a Nagant in a bowl of borsch, then drink from the bowl under a full moon while reading Tolstoy you will turn into a Babushka during certain obscure holidays.

 

[lance22]

Well yeah - that's what I was thinking - It'd be cool to be a Frankenstien or a Werewolf or something ... I'll have to ask my wife if my appearance changes while I'm sleeping.

 

[Shadow1198]

Thanks for the link. I posted on there, titled "Common Sense". Anyone feel free to critique me. I tried to remain objective, unemotional, and certainly non-vulgar as I feel that's the best way to try to get through to people like this. One of the things I posted I feel is the most overlooked factor, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to legislate morality, which appears to be what many of the "anti's" are trying to attempt with their politics.

 

[tinygnat219]

Correia,

Plus, I never realized that there was a direct link between handgun ownership and lycanthropy.

Maybe there's a book in there somewhere?

 

[Strings]

tinygnat, I had the EXACT same thought!

 

[Grizzly Adams]

It is no doubt most certainly a piece.

Robert Hairless, I think you summed it up in one word "piece". But the idiot does have the right to say it! I spent 21 years protecting that right!! I'll say no more.

 

[romma]

Art can however, suck, and still be art.

Watch out for Arts' Grammaw Correia..

 

[JohnBT]

"Sturgeon's Law - Derived from a quote by science fiction author Theodore Sturgeon, who once said, "Sure, 90% of science fiction is crud."

IIRC, this was in a keynote speech at a convention he got booed. That led to a statement in his defense, and Isaac Asimov's corollary: "90% of everything is crud."

Virginia Commonwealth University has a huge art department, but I'd say the 90% figure is just about right.

John

 

[Blakenzy]

Oh my! So that's what happens when you get hammer bitten by a 1911.... no wonder they invented beavertails

 

[Invalid]

I wish I had a reactionary response, but I just see it as art. A lot of you seem to dig making fun of the work of others, so have fun mocking a mural someone did. Sheesh.

 

[Walter W.]

So is it just brown children that guns turn to werewolves, or does it include all colors and ages? How about people like military, border control, and even skeet shooters or boy scouts?