Anti-gun response from applebees

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Well I got a response back from Frank DeAngelo president of
Applebees Texas.



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Dear [email protected]:

I understand you have e-mailed Mr. Gregg Spickler, the Director of Operations for the Applebee’s in San Antonio, concerning your handgun.

I told him I will personally respond.

I am pleased that you are a guest of Applebee’s in San Antonio and I hope your patronage will continue but it will not continue with you carrying a concealed weapon into one of our restaurants. We have a notice posted in all of our lobbies asking that this not occur.


Le me repeat, we want to keep your business, but only without your handgun.

I am enclosing the TX law for you to read.


30.06 Trespass by Holder of License to Carry Concealed Handgun

A license holder commits an offense if the license holder comes on the property without effective consent and receives notice that an entry by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden, or remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was forbidden and failed to depart.


Hopefully, you will continue to do business and patronize our Applebee’s in the future.

Sincerely,


Frank A. DeAngelo

President of Applejam of TX, Inc.
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They didn't respond to my original letter and the Applebees I went to had no 30.06 sign.

I didn't write them concerning my handgun it was about a stupid
sign "no weapons of any kind even with a permit.

I guess I can officially boycott Applebees and Applejam inc.

Lets spread the word.

Here is Mr, DeAngelos Email address if you would like to comment.
Please keep it civil.
[email protected]
 
WOW!

Talk about an arrogant and condescending reply! Do you have this guys e-mail, so some of us can "converse" with this individual? I kind of like Applebee's, but if this is their attitude I will not go there again, and I will try to make sure that my friends do not either.

And does he not understand that no sign he posts on his doors has ANY legal force if it does not conform to the requirements in 30.06?:fire:

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see the e-mail address at the bottom of your post the first time -- nevermind!
 
ok, that rips it. I'll continue to not eat Applebee's icky food. Blue cheese dressing is for salads, not as a steak topping anyway.

Besides, Saltgrass Steakhouse is beter and you don't have to wade through crowds of fake-id holders at the bar.

Let's get the word out on Applebees and let folks know they don't care about us.

Regards,
Rabbit.
 
Is this a policy for all of Appleby's? It'd be interesting to see if the corporation backs the Texas interpretation.
 
I contacted National Applebees and they sent me a Texas response. So if they really wanted to tell me the National corporate policy they could have at that time.
 
I haven't eaten in one for 5 (?) years.

I won't be eating there anytime soon and this is all the more reason.
 
I just fired off an email. I reference you, Jesse, as a friend of mine in Texas who expressed your concerns to me. I then formed my question asking about Tennessee resturants and concealed carry.

I wonder if I'll be blessed with a response....... :evil:


I like Ruby Tuesday better, anyway. :D
 
The irony is that the manager of a local Applebees was murdered at the store just a couple of weeks ago. I don't know if a CCW would have helped him out (if he was allowed to carry one by store policy) but it couldn't have hurt him any worse.

I guess they will lose my once a year at most business too :D .

Greg
 
wordy but informative.


what I said:

Mr. Frank A. DeAngelo

Greetings:

Pursuant to discovery that Applebees of Texas is a business environment hostile to Texas residents of upstanding moral character who are legally licensed by the State of Texas to carry concealed handguns in a lawful and responsible manner and

Whereas Applebees Restaurants, in creating an environment hostile to legally licensed Texas Concealed Handgun Licenses do not wish to have said persons legally carry on their premises without posting the required notices vis-a-vis:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/signposting.htm

Neither myself as a responsible Texas Concealed Handgun License holder nor my family members shall do business with Applebees of Texas from this day forward as long as this contradictory policy is in place.

Sir, you have lost my good will as a patron.

Regards,
Sylvilagus Aquaticus
Dallas, Texas.
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PROHIBITING HANDGUNS IN A BUSINESS OR OTHER ENTITY

In order to provide notice that entry on property by a license holder with a concealed handgun is forbidden, Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(A) requires that a written communication contain the following language:

"PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN."

"CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO."


Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) further states that a sign must meet the following requirements:

includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;

appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and

is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

Please note that while the language provided above may be downloaded for convenience, it does not meet the requirements of Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) and may not be used as a sign.


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You can contact the Concealed Handgun Licensing Section at :

Concealed Handgun Licensing Section
Texas Department of Public Safety
P O Box 4143
Austin, Texas 78765-4143
Phone: (512) 424-7293 or (512) 424-7294
Helpline: (800) 224-5744


references and citations:


http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/go/go0041100.html#go167.411.171

§ 411.204. Notice Required on Certain Premises

(a) A business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, and that derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the business premises a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c).

(b) A hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the hospital or nursing home, as appropriate, a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c) other than the requirement that the sign include on its face the number "51".

(c) The sign required under Subsections (a) and (b) must give notice in both English and Spanish that it is unlawful for a person licensed under this subchapter to carry a handgun on the premises. The sign must appear in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height and must include on its face the number "51" printed in solid red at least five inches in height. The sign shall be displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

(d) A business that has a permit or license issued under the Alcoholic Beverage Code and that is not required to display a sign under this section may be required to display a sign under Section 11.041 or 61.11, Alcoholic Beverage Code.

(e) This section does not apply to a business that has a food and beverage certificate issued under the Alcoholic Beverage Code.

Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, § 10.01(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1997.
Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, § 9.16(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1999; Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 523, § 1, eff. June 18, 1999.


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http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pub/plsql/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=37&pt=1&ch=6&rl=5

Texas Administrative Code


TITLE 37 PUBLIC SAFETY AND CORRECTIONS
PART 1 TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
CHAPTER 6 LICENSE TO CARRY HANDGUNS
SUBCHAPTER A GENERAL PROVISIONS
RULE §6.5 Notice Optional on Other Premises

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(a) Notice. A public or private employer may prohibit persons who are licensed to carry from carrying a concealed handgun on the premises of the business.

(b) Text. A sign prohibiting license holders from carrying a concealed handgun must comply with the requirements of Texas Penal Code, 30.06 ("Trespass by Holder of License to Carry Concealed Handgun").


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Source Note: The provisions of this §6.5 adopted to be effective January 8, 1996, 20 TexReg 11128; amended to be effective August 19, 1999, 24 TexReg 6307


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and:

http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pub/plsql/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=37&pt=1&ch=6&rl=44

Texas Administrative Code

TITLE 37 PUBLIC SAFETY AND CORRECTIONS
PART 1 TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
CHAPTER 6 LICENSE TO CARRY HANDGUNS
SUBCHAPTER D TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER RESTRICTIONS ON LICENSE HOLDERS
RULE §6.44 Places Prohibited: Felony Violations

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A license holder may not carry a handgun on or about the license holder's person under authority of the Act in the following places:

(1) On the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Alcoholic Beverage Code, Chapters 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, if the business derives 51% or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption. Posting is required by the Act, but an establishment's failure to post is not a statutory defense to the license holder. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.035.

(2) On the premises of a correctional facility. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.035.

(3) On the physical premises of a school, an educational institution, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or an educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.03.

(4) On the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.03.

(5) In any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.03.

(6) On the premises of a racetrack. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.03.

(7) Into a secured area of an airport. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.03.


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Source Note: The provisions of this §6.44 adopted to be effective January 8, 1996, 20 TexReg 11128; amended to be effective August 19, 1999, 24 TexReg 6308

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I live in Indiana and I never saw a sign like this. It doesn't matter because if they are doing this to you guys in Texas, that is enough reason for me to never eat there again!

Why do these companies think they can start pushing us around? They get to be a big successful chain and then they start telling people that they can't carry guns and then all of a sudden, they go under.:D Remeber K-Mart?:p

I don't really care if the owners of the company are anti-gun so long as they don't use the company to futher their efforts. If I went to K-mart to buy a pair of tube sock, I don't think that I should be unwittingly supporting that anti-gunners. I think it is an abuse of power. It is like Michael Moore useing his popularity as a director to further his polictical opinions. Or Shakira doing the same. We don't watch their movies and buy their records because we agree with their politics. Be a frigging activist if you want to make a political statment and leave the entertainment to the entertainers.

I will be e-mailing this joker. I hope you don't mind if I reference you also. I think it would be a good idea if everyone used your name in their message. It would give the guy something to think about next time.
 
That sucks... I do not eat at them (and wont) but there is one in our town. College Station, TX. Letter from me also!
 
a corrolary:

if Mr. DeAngelo is going to quote the law to someone, he should at least quote it correctly and completely.

a favorite quote of mine:
Don't jack with me, kid...I'm a LAWYER!

Robin Williams, as 'Peter Pan' in the movie "Hook".



Regards,
Rabbit.
 
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Is Applebees a publicly traded company? It might be time to short the stock and use the money that you make to buy a nice carry gun. A picture of which you can then send to Mr. DeAngelo (if he is still employed there then) and explain how his policy drove the stock price down and how you spent the profit from his misfortune :evil: .

Greg

edit: Found it - APPB on the NASDAQ
 
they can have my business when the pry my gun out of my cold, stiff hands...

:D

oooo, greg thats evil...

i love it
 
OK, Applebee's boycott is on for me.

The only national high-ranking e-mail address I could find on their website is:

[email protected]

Head of investor relations. I will get an email off to him, and spread this to local friends and firearms organizations.
 
Just sent off an e-mail expainly my feelings on the matter and that I will not be eating at Applebee's until this is fixed. I'll let you know if I get a response.
 
Pendragon,

I won't patronize an anti-gun establishment. By letting the people in charge know how we feel about their policies
there is a possibility for change.

The President of Applebees thinks there are 30.06 compliant prohibiting licensed carry and maybe some of his stores do have
those signs .
 
Methinx that the fellow's e-mail is gonna be sorta full for a while...

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Until you change your policy regarding legally armed customers, I will not be patronizing Applebees restaurants. You _do_ realize, of course, that hundreds of thousands (millions nationwide) of your potential customers who have gone to the trouble of obtaining a concealed carry license are NOT criminals, right? Or are you just assuming that we're gangsters? Do Lloyd Hill or David Goebel know that you're treating a VERY large block of your customers like this?

And since I'm your stereotypical bachelor from hell, I eat out a LOT.
 
I used their online comments form to write:

I have heard that Applebee's restaurants are prohibiting the carrying of licensed concealed handguns on the premises.

I hope that this is not true. I had hoped to visit the new Bellingham Applebee's after my favorable experience in Arizona. However I will have to boycott your restaurant on principle if it is true. While I appreciate your business's right to disarm concealed pistol carriers, I think it is bad business to mix politics and food.

I eagerly await your response.

Good day,
-Pytron

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As a side note, I believe that letting businesses know that you care about their politics is a good thing. It puts them on notice that people care about their prominent display of politics. It also shows that gun-owners are a significant population WHO CARE about what businesses do.
 
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