Any experience with the Caracal?

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I was reading an article by Rob Pincus of the Personal Defense Network and they posted a list of the optimum self defense pistol. Of course Glock was on that list and I have been thinking of buying a Glock 19 here soon. But another pistol on that list was the Caracal C. I have looked at some info on it and have seen where I can get one for $100 less than the Glock. One article said the Caracal performed better than the Glock due to it unique design features. I am very tempted to buy the Caracal C with the standard sights, but want to hear from some who have actually owned and fired one. I want some real world advice, not just opinions from those who have never even seen one.

And so it begins...lol
 
I got to shoot a few at Media Day earlier this year and it was surprisingly nice. 9mmepiphany, Chris Rhines, and I got to go over the design with their head designer (formerly of Glock) and it sure seemed like they out-Glocked Glock on this one.

If I was in the market for that sort of pistol I'd own one. No question.

Comments from Tang here.
 
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Nice! It is truly hard to believe that anything can surpass the Glock, you are not the first who has said that. I really like the low bore axis design. I had a Steyr that shot incredibly naturally and accurate. This is pretty much a cross bewtween Glock and Steyr. The biggest thing that attracts me is the simplicicty, just like Glock. And the pricetag is perfect!
 
The Caracal is very well thought out and was a design with input from a person who actually shoots...Glock wasn't a gun manufacturer before the G17.

I would also get one if I were in that market. I really liked the QAS option...but I have older eyes.
 
I really like the other Bubbits designed pistols. You guys are not making it easy for me to ignore the caracal. Unlike the steyr it is price to make people sit up and give it a hard look vis-a-vis glock et al.
 
I don't own one, but I want to. I honestly haven't heard a single bad thing about the Caracal from people who have used them. It passed the most stringent European military and police tests out there.
 
I think I may see if the closest gun range that rents pistols has one. I know my Glocks and love them, but with everything I am hearing, I may be changing my tune...lol
 
I have the Caracal C and love it. I have owned a Glock and didn't feel it was a comfort to shoot. Ergos, trigger, and quality and fantastic. And for $400 it was a steal.
 
Here are my thoughts on the Caracal C: IMG_1069.gif

I've often posted here with high praise for the Caracal pistols so I figured I'd knock out a review of the guns with the Caracal C going first. The C model seems to be the one people ask about the most and frequently the question is, "Is it better than a Glock 19?" We'll get to that a little later but first I'll lay out some of the pros and cons of the gun.

Pros:
-Reliable. The gun has well over 1,000 rounds (not sure on the exact count, I've let many people borrow the pistol to try out) with only 1 malfunction which was a bad primer with Brown Bear ammo. I put the same round in my G17 and it didn't fire with that gun either so I'm putting the blame solely on the ammo
-Price. This gun is available online for $399 shipped with box and two mags. In my opinion it's the best handgun deal on the market today (CZ 82 second).
-Accurate. This gun is like a 1911 in that it tends to make average shooters shoot like good shooters
-Very low bore axis (see comparison pictures with my P229 below) resulting in the softest shooting 9mm (along with the F model) I've ever shot
-Excellent trigger. It's smooth with no stacking. It breaks extremely cleanly and has a positive reset
-Great finish. The Plasox (with nitriding) finish is holding up very well thus far
-It has a loaded chamber indicator on the top of the slide allowing the user to check that it is loaded without having to conduct a press check
-Very good ergonomics. Everyone that has shot the gun seems to comment on how good it feels in their hands
-15+1 capacity while only weighing 25oz
-Passed the WTD 91 (German armed forces) testing in 2006
-Has been adopted by several nations' standard military sidearm; many police agencies in Italy and Germany have adopted it as well
-It's classified as an IDPA production gun
-Easy to clean and maintain. Requires very little lubrication as well
-Interior parts are coated with the Plasox finish as well
-Ambi controls (except for the slide lock)
-Spare parts including springs are available from Caracal-USA now (this is relatively new)
-The Caracal C can use F 18 round magazines

Cons:
-Little aftermarket support
-Night sights are not available in the US currently. I spoke with Caracal USA last week and they said they are working with several manufacturers currently but they don't have a date yet as to when they'll be released
-The rear sight is part of the firing pin assembly. This will either make aftermarket sights more expensive or limit some to front sight only
-The guns are made in the UAE and Germany. The UAE made guns are the only ones available in the US currently. (I don't care about this but it's a common point brought up so I'm including it so people don't say "you didn't mention where it was made....")
-In order to detail strip the gun you have to deal with roll pins. Not a big deal but I'd prefer not to if I didn't have to
-The slide lock protrudes to far. I hit it with my thumb about 50% of the time if I'm not conscious of it and many people I've let shoot it have the exact same issue

Now, back to the original question---is it better than the G19? In terms of familiarity, factory customer service support, sight availability, and aftermarket support---no, it's not. In terms of factory trigger, cost (non-blue label program), and perceived recoil---yes it is. I'll give them a tie for reliability, simplicity, and accuracy.

The best way I can answer the question is to say if I never fired a handgun and was given a Caracal C and a G19 to shoot for a day and asked to pick only 1 which would I pick? I think I'd pick the Caracal C. That said, I've been shooting Glocks for years and am very comfortable and relatively proficient with them so now I slightly prefer Glocks but I wouldn't have any reservations about trusting my life to a Caracal.

Here's a video of me shooting the gun, a tabletop review with some comparisons to other 15 round 9mm guns (G19 and SIG P229R), and a chronograph test with some popular defensive loads:

CARACAL C HD VIDEO REVIEW LINK

Chrono numbers:
Speer 124gr Gold Dot JHPs: 1127fps, 350 ft/lbs energy
Federal 124gr HST JHPs: 1092fps, 328 ft/lbs energy
Winchester 115gr Ranger JHPs: 1095fps, 306 ft/lbs energy


Caracal bore axis:​
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SIG P229R bore axis:​
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I think it takes simplicity and makes it look nice. It is very ergonomical. How common are they in gun shops though?
 
What holster options are available for this pistol??

I messed around with one at the LGS and not being a real Glock fan, I found this gun to be really nice, Slick design and liked the trigger.
 
I don't know if they still have them but Robertson has the Steyr M9A1 for $419.


That is a good price on the M9A1. As advertised on their site, "Steyr M9A1 Pistols priced well below wholesale." Fortunately I'm set on the larger steyrs. If I wasn't I would look into getting one. If they also had compacts I'd be tempted to buy another Steyr.
 
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