Any firearm can be used self-defense in a pinch. Do you agree?

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But what I'm talking about is arms like these:

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I've been in that position with a Winchester 37A 12 gauge that was my general bird gun back in the '90s. I had an ammo carrier cuff on the butt stock and I got fast at reloading (and manually cocking the hammer) since the 37A has a very strong ejector. At one point, I turned that gun into a last ditch defense gun by making it much shorter, but still legal.

I can tell ya, no matter how quick I could do a reload (two doves in one pass), that gun taught me how marginal it was compared to something like my fixed mag stripper clip fed SKS that I had in the same time frame.

Edit to add: That old single shot Winchester made me think of my last shotgun which was a Stoeger Uplander SxS 12 gauge. Two barrels are better than one single shot. The downside to that particular Uplander was it had only extractors not ejectors. So, while the gun had two immediate shots, and internal "auto"-cocked hammers, reloading was slow since you had to pluck out the empties.
 
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I’m relatively convinced that a fake weapon would suffice in about 80% of situations. Especially something highly intimidating. Throw a baseball at somebody in the dark as you yell “frag out” and I bet there’s some attention garnered. A broom against somebody’s back and a firmly said hands up as you march them out the door. Worst case scenario is it catches them off guard for a second but they still realize and continue, you have at least rattled them a bit. So now your baseball is gone but I have seen a broom handle lay down a serious beating so by all means put your weight behind it as you aim for the neck.
 
Rule number one in a gun fight: Have a gun.

Many years ago there was a story out of South Africa/Rhodesia where and elderly white man with a snub nosed .38 drove off three black terrorists armed with AK-47. supposedly took place in a church.

Remember Pearl Harbor and the pilots that took off from Halieva field. Those planes were set up for gunnery practice and only had ammo for the 30-'06 machine guns. Still knocked down a bunch of zeros
 
What if getting a handgun like NYS was near impossible for the common citizen.
Why do you think getting a handgun in NYS is near impossible ?
Is a permit needed, yes it is, but it’s not impossible to get. Get the proper paperwork, follow the directions required and turn the paperwork in. Depending on what county the permit is requested in (Democrat or republican run) will determine how quickly the permit will be granted, along with any possible restrictions and limitations.
Some county’s will issue an unrestricted CC permit. While others may restrict the permit to hunting/target practice only.

Impossible to get a permit for a handgun in NY= No

Now if you are in NYC that’s a different story,


Many people are perfectly happy with a long gun for home defense,

If I was in the path of 2 escaped killers my Glock would stay in the safe, I would be armed with a long gun to protect my family.
 
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Why do you think getting a handgun in NYS is near impossible ?
Is a permit needed, yes it is, but it’s not impossible to get. Get the proper paperwork, follow the directions required and turn the paperwork in. Depending on what county the permit is requested in (Democrat or republican run) will determine how quickly the permit will be granted, along with any possible restrictions and limitations.
Some county’s will issue an unrestricted CC permit. While others may restrict the permit to hunting/target practice only.

Impossible to get a permit for a handgun in NY= No

Now if you are in NYC that’s a different story,


Many people are perfectly happy with a long gun for home defense,

If I was in the path of 2 escaped killers my Glock would stay in the safe, I would be armed with a long gun to protect my family.
My family in NYC had issues. As did my family in Westchester County and my other family on the other side in NJ.
 
Every time there is unrest or a riot, Ca folks sprint to the gun store… and learn they have to wait ten days, or more, to bring home a gun.

If they haven’t bought a gun in the past few years, now there’s a fee and waiting period on ammo purchases, too.

This sure is stopping crime in its tracks and making me feel safer. 🥴

Stay safe.
 
It's all in the hands of the user. Sad to say that the vast majority of gun owners would be no more effective with a high end AR15 or high capacity wonder blaster than they would be with a 1400s era matchlock. That said, there was a time when a whole lot of men fought wars and survived on the frontier with charcoal burners and a good knife. A repeating rifle, is certainly better than no rifle. However, in the hands of that tiny minority that actually know how to fight...it's obsolescent, but not obsolete.
 
Back when I was 78-ish yo, and before a background check was required for a transfer between identical twin sisters who were nuns, I transferred most of my guns to my offal offspring.

I'm in a pretty secure (for now) area, so I'm content with some handguns squirreled around the place, a 12 ga pump, and a military style "automatic" long gun (a terrifyingly deadly SKS).

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I also bought a bunch of 10" butcher knives for real cheap at a dollar store and they're also tucked away around the apartment.

So all in all, given my situation with little traveling I figure I'm pretty well set, defensively, but it's a unique senior citizen situation.

I do wish I had my 10-22 back, but locally, I understand that became or will become an assault weapon.

Will my cane be next?

Terry, 230RN
 
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Back when I was 78-ish yo, and before a background check was required for a transfer between identical twin sisters who were nuns, I transferred most of my guns to my offal offspring.

I'm in a pretty secure (for now) area, so I'm content with some handguns squirreled around the place, a 12 ga pump, and a military style "automatic" long gun (a terrifyingly deadly SKS).

Bangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbang!

I also bought a bunch of 10" butcher knives for real cheap at a dollar store and they're also tucked away around the apartment.

So all in all, given my situation with little traveling I figure I'm pretty well set, defensively, but it's a unique senior citizen situation.

I do wish I had my 10-22 back, but locally, I understand that became or will become an assault weapon.

Will my cane be next?

Terry, 230RN
I'm a great proponent of the cane sword for our more well seasoned citizens. You might run out of ammo, but you're not going to run out of knife. Then again I'm also in favor of a 12 gauge anti shark "bang stick" made up like a cane for seniors too.
 
AnyTHING firearm can be used for self-defense in a pinch.

But a Bris Kit is not a biscuit.

Being old, I have to deal with the reality that I'm not gonna out run anyone, overpower anyone, grapple anyone so a weapon that I can use before I have to out run anyone, overpower anyone or grapple with anyone is desirable. I'd prefer a slingshot over a bow and arrow since it's something I'd be more likely to have on me at all times and a revolver over a rifle or shotgun for the same reason. But if all I have at the time is one of my hand axes or a knife then that's what I'll use.

And yes, there are increasing more days when the cane is available.
 
Being old, I have to deal with the reality that I'm not gonna out run anyone, overpower anyone, grapple anyone so a weapon that I can use before I have to out run anyone, overpower anyone or grapple with anyone is desirable. I'd prefer a slingshot over a bow and arrow since it's something I'd be more likely to have on me at all times and a revolver over a rifle or shotgun for the same reason. But if all I have at the time is one of my hand axes or a knife then that's what I'll use.

At 59, I'm not too old, yet. But, I know from working with my co-workers in their 20s, 30s, and 40s that they are stronger, quicker, more agile, don't have joint pain, etc. I have to exercise regularly to keep up with them on the job.

So, I'm not going to be defending myself with a tea cup.
 
I remember about a decade ago when you had two convicted murderers escape the state prison up in Dannemora, NY and there was a massive manhunt for 'em. This was after the SAFE Act was passed in 2013 and as a result, a number of my fellow Americans caught behind the iron curtain were somewhat restricted on what they could use. I recall news stories about area residents arming themselves with anything and everything that had a went bang. Hunting rifles, single-shot shotguns, rimfire plinkers, etc...

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This photo was from the New York Times and it shows a Dannemora resident grabbing his two bolt action hunting rifles. The news story reported that he staged one in the upstairs bedroom and another in the living room.

I wrote a piece about that situation a while back and I was just recently thinking about it as I was going through my safe. I have a literal pile of "tacticool" self-defense guns. Form 4'ed long gun, enough GLOCKs to build a bridge from Key West to Havana, and enough riot configured shotguns that I can equip the entirety of the Texas Rangers. But as I was digging through my safes; I of course came across my herd of Browning O/Us & Auto-5s, my bunch of bolt action hunting rifles, my plethora of .22 plinkers, and my gaggle of lever actions. Plus, all my old C&R milsurps and cap 'n ball front stuffers that today are viewed as antiquated yet are still capable.

And as I was handling 'em all. I was running scenarios in my mind of Dannemora. What if I lived in a location that restricted me to certain types of guns? What if getting a handgun like NYS was near impossible for the common citizen. But having a 21" barreled Browning BPS 20 Gauge or a Winchester 1894 in .32 Winchester Special doesn't raise much ire with the local government thugs err... I mean authorities.

Would I honestly feel safe with nothing but my 12 Gauge Browning BSS or my Remington Model 700 Moutain in .30-06 Springfield? Yeah, I'd feel safe. But the more important question is "would I feel safe?" It is would I actually be capable of defending myself and my loved ones with such arms? The answer to that is emphatically yes. I wouldn't be happy that I was restricted to such and I would see it as an egregious violation of my civil rights as an American. But I and confident that I could defend myself with such class of guns.

The other thing that got me thinking was 2020's "Summer of Love." The rioting in certain location along with the soft on crime tactics that resulted in a crime wave in certain locations. Plus the COVID-19 panic too. There was a huge run on guns by the buying public.

I recall walking into my local big-box retailers like Bass Pro and Academy. Their gun departments were stripped bare. All they had were a few rimfire and centerfire hunting bolt actions. Even their selection of semi-automatic rimfires like Ruger 10/22s and Mossberg 702s were cleaned out. They had Remington 783s and Mossberg Patriots in chamberings like .243 Winchester.

My local pawn shops also were emptied of anything that could remotely be considered "tacticool." But they had a good selection of older hunting guns still. Aesthetically troubled but mechanically sound guns like Stevens/Savage Model 67s, Winchester Model 120s, and H&R Model 400s. Plus, the usual gamut of rifles like Browning A-Bolts, Winchester Model 70s, Remington 700s, etc. in chamberings like .270 Winchester, .22-250 Remington, .17 HMR, etc.

Would any of these guns be perfect for self-defense? Yes and no. Again, they aren't perfect. But they're capable. Especially some of the shotguns. Even basic bottom-basement generic 00 Buck or slug in 20, 16, or 12 Gauge all are viable for self-defense in one's home. Get a 28" Savage and have the local gunsmith cut it down to 20" and you have a viable and capable self-defense firearm. But even if you don't cut it down. It is still better than harsh words and 911 on speed dial. Same goes for bolt action rifles. A four or five shot bolt action hunting rifle in a chambering like .257 Roberts or .30-06 Springfield is nothing to sneeze at. Same goes with something like a Stevens Model 325-A in .30-30 Winchester.

So, enough rambling from me.

What "fudd" guns do you own that you'd feel capable to use for self-defense?

I get where you were going.

But my "old school" is from my age [ 76 ] and experience, so I go with any of my lever guns [ the OG assault rifle ] and ANY shotgun in almost any bore.

I have a S&W model 10hb that I went through the police academy with,and then patrol for 5 years .

I will bet my life ----- and your's on it any day.

Model 8 Remington in .35 Rem. is one of my oldest guns and the first semi auto made in America [ in any number ]. About 1919 the year of production.

And as old school as I want to go under your guide ,is a side by side 12 bore with 18 1/2: barrels.
 
I don’t have a SD shotgun I have a BPS with a short barrel, rifle sights and choke tubes, I believe this gun gives me more flexibility over a shotgun with cylinder bore and bead.

My BSS will be the last long gun I’ll part with for various reasons but two shots with minimal operation seems like a winner whether it’s old folk,women or injured going bang is simple.

I would also consider my Blackhawk.45 a possible SD gun but I have other handguns that are designed specifically for that job so the Blackhawk would remain in its spot in the safe, but who knows if 9mm, .40 and .380acp become unavailable😌
 
My first thought is that any gun is better than no gun.

Shoot (Pardon the pun), I've typed up and erased several replys!

To answer the question I would want the word "defend" to be defined. If I'm defending myself from an intruder in my bedroom my choice would be different than if I'm defending my home from a group of invaders from the barn loft looking across an 80 acre pasture.
 
Any working gun could be used for self defense at home; however, some are better choices than others.
But handguns are more conducive to concealment in typical clothing and thus what one likely has available when away from home.
If one has options, like I do, I'm going to settle for "better than nothing" rather I'm carry one of the better choices I have.
 
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