Any humans shot with .32 magnum rounds yet?

[Varminterror]

The 32 H&R Mag is about equal to the 38 +P, depending on the ammo.

Could you elaborate a bit on the ways the H&R equals the +P? .32H&R is one of my favorite cartridges, masterfully done in the fixed sight Ruger Single Six Vaquerito's.

 

[mnrivrat]

I believe the data I looked at tended to indicate an energy match closer to the standard .38 Special cartridge. I also have not seen info that would show it in the +P range on .38spl factory ammo, so perhaps the hand loads are what is indicated by the "depending on the ammo" reference. Or a brand of ammo I did not look at ?

 

[ArchAngelCD]

The 32 H&R Mag is about equal to the 38 +P, depending on the ammo.

I have to disagree, not even close. The .38 Special +P will push a 125gr bullet to the same velocities that a 32 H&R Mag will push a 90gr bullet. The energy isn't even close.

If you want to carry a 32 Cal make it the 32 Federal Magnum. It's what the 32 H&R Magnum should have been it it weren't downloaded because of the weaknesses of the H&R revolvers when it was released.

 

[Water-Man]

Georgia Arms 32 H&R 100gr. JHP. Velocity 1100. That equates to approx. 269 FPE.

 

[dickydalton]

Underwood 125 Grain Hollow Point 38 Specials averaged 1173 FPS out of my SP 101 2.25". What barrel length was the Georgia Arms?

 

[Water-Man]

Underwood 125 Grain Hollow Point 38 Specials averaged 1173 FPS out of my SP 101 2.25". What barrel length was the Georgia Arms?

This isn't a contest of which ammo is the most powerful. My reply was in answer to ArchAngelCD's post.

 

[dickydalton]

This isn't a contest of which ammo is the most powerful. My reply was in answer to ArchAngelCD's post.

I wasn't turning it into a contest. I was just stating an ammunition comparison and asking what barrel length your numbers came from, to get a proper perspective. You, Sir, are the one that said {quote}The 32 H&R Mag is about equal to the 38 +P, depending on the ammo.
Obviously it really isn't.

 

[Water-Man]

I wasn't turning it into a contest. I was just stating an ammunition comparison and asking what barrel length your numbers came from, to get a proper perspective. You, Sir, are the one that said {quote}The 32 H&R Mag is about equal to the 38 +P, depending on the ammo.
Obviously it really isn't.

It isn't?
Win. Ranger 130gr. +P JHP - velocity 960
Gold Dot 135gr. +P HP - velocity 860
CorBon DPX 110gr. +P - velocity 1050

The Georgia Arms round seems to be in the same ballpark to me.

 

[dickydalton]

It isn't?
Win. Ranger 130gr. +P JHP - velocity 960
Gold Dot 135gr. +P HP - velocity 860
CorBon DPX 110gr. +P - velocity 1050

The Georgia Arms round seems to be in the same ballpark to me.

Out of 2.25" barrels, right?

 

[Water-Man]

Do your own research. I've had enough of this bickering.

 

[Varminterror]

Is KE the best measure of stopping power for a handgun cartridge? What about momentum, Taylor factor, Hornady's HITS number, Wooter's Lethality Index, Bekker knock out factor...?

Or is KE the only measurement you feel makes sense as a measure of stopping power?

I ask, because I HAVE done that research, and the 32 H&R falls somewhere 15-25% behind 38spcl+P when you consider almost anything except Kinetic Energy.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Georgia Arms 32 H&R 100gr. JHP. Velocity 1100. That equates to approx. 269 FPE.

It isn't?
Win. Ranger 130gr. +P JHP - velocity 960
Gold Dot 135gr. +P HP - velocity 860
CorBon DPX 110gr. +P - velocity 1050

The Georgia Arms round seems to be in the same ballpark to me.

I agree bickering is not productive but discussion is good for everyone.
I know what you were saying but the numbers don't hold true. You can't use 135gr Speer SB ammo as a comparison, it's intentionally lower velocity for softer recoil.

Using your 100gr Georgia Arms ammo and 110gr .38 Special ammo to keep the bullet weight close the energy even with plain Jane .38 +P is still notably higher. 110gr Double Tap will ammo produce 351 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle.

Now, the same 100gr weight bullet from a .327 Magnum will generate almost 500ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle. Don't mistake what I'm saying, I'm not saying the .32 H&R is a bad SD cartridge it's just not equal to the .38 Spl +P.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

You guys are both right. Yes, the .32 H&R Magnum can produce numbers equal to some well-respected .38 Special +P loads. So in that sense, they're equal. But it is an apples-to-oranges comparison, because in order to get the .32 H&R Magnum to do that, you have to basically push its performance to the limit with one of the boutique ammo makers. If you push .38 Special just as hard, the .38 Special takes the lead again. On the other hand, with the same size gun, no matter how much you push the .38 Special, you can never get a sixth round.

So five of one, half dozen of the other.

 

[dickydalton]

I was never bickering. I just don't like people using long barrel velocity numbers when you are comparing SD performance. No too many people are going to stuff a 6 1/2" Ruger in their pocket and stroll down the street.

 

[Varminterror]

Where I sit, having killed game with both, equal kinetic energy doesn't mean much. There's a broad gap between the .32H&R and the .38spcl+P.

 

[Water-Man]

I was never bickering. I just don't like people using long barrel velocity numbers when you are comparing SD performance. No too many people are going to stuff a 6 1/2" Ruger in their pocket and stroll down the street.

The numbers were from both 2" & 4" barrels. The more you comment the worse it gets.

 

[dickydalton]

Isn't that nice

 

[dickydalton]

The numbers were from both 2" & 4" barrels. The more you comment the worse it gets.

You took three days to think that up? The more you comment the worse you get.. A 32 H&R will Never equal a 38 Special Plus P. You didn't say which numbers were from which barrel length. Maybe you can let us know Thursday?

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

I'm sure people have been shot with guns similar to the .32 magnum rounds. .30 Mauser, .30 Lugar, .30 Tork... They were all used in WW1 and 2. So expect results similar to those three.

Deaf

You forgot the most numerous of all the .32's. the Russian .32 Nagant. Probably has killed more people than all the other .32 handguns combined.