Cosmoline
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Open carry, where legal, is a great way to make a quiet but effective political statement. But remember to pay CLOSE attention to what your state AND local rules are on the subject.
Any open carry jurisdictions?
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Cyclimus
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Ohio has been an open carry state since we became a state. Can't say you see it practiced much though unless you're out in the rural parts.
????????????? The Nebraska State Constitution states:
Article I-1 Statement of rights. All persons are by nature free and independent, and have certain inherent and inalienable rights; among these are life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to keep and bear arms for security or defense of self, family, home, and others, and for lawful common defense, hunting, recreational use, and all other lawful purposes, and such rights shall not be denied or infringed by the state or any subdivision thereof. To secure these rights, and the protection of property, governments are instituted among people, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
So, in Nebraska, we don't obtain the right to bear arms. We are born with it.
That fact hasn't stopped the city of Omaha from requiring a permit to OC (which is unconstitutional, IMHO), or the state to require you to get a permit to Carry Concaled........ If a Lawyer had nothing better to do, he could have a field day with Nebraska's contrdictory laws.....
fletcher
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Depends on where you live. They do not preempt local governments on it, and towns, like Cary, have it prohibited.
El Tejon
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Indiana. Some towns have ordinances against concealed carry because of prior immigration waves (e.g. the town of Speedway on the westside of Indianapolis) and were grandfathered in (Indiana's preemption statute allows ordinances pre-'95 so that the laws of cities with heavy African-American populations, e.g., Gary, are still on the books).
Open carry here is rare however. I think a plurality of the LTCH holders think that the pistol(s) must be concealed. Afterall, doesn't the Internet say so.
Open carry here is rare however. I think a plurality of the LTCH holders think that the pistol(s) must be concealed. Afterall, doesn't the Internet say so.
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In New Mexico you can OC. Although I rarely see it. CCW requires a class of no less than 15 hours.
Your vehicle is veiwed as an extension on your home, so you can keep a firearm in your vehicle as well...but there are a few more specifics.
Your vehicle is veiwed as an extension on your home, so you can keep a firearm in your vehicle as well...but there are a few more specifics.
JesseL
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Here's a thread I started about my experiences with open carry here in AZ.
In a nutshell, there was practically no reaction at all.
In a nutshell, there was practically no reaction at all.
Bennett Prescott
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The fine state of NH also allows open carry, although I have never seen anyone doing it, probably because it is so easy to get a CCW permit (fill out a sheet of paper, pay $10) that there's no reason not to.
The only place I've ever seen anyone open carry was VA, and I was extremely pleased to see the older gentleman exercising his civil rights.
The only place I've ever seen anyone open carry was VA, and I was extremely pleased to see the older gentleman exercising his civil rights.
wickedsprint
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Even though my state allows open carry I don't like standing out for any reason, for that alone I prefer CCW unless say I'm in the woods. I don't think I have ever carried in town except when out riding since you might run into a group of meth heads and their lab out here. I also feel like it'd get old answering the cop question.
Anything I routinely have to justify to strangers or answer questions about often is too much of a hassle for me...for those reasons CCW it is.
Maybe it's just my generation, but if I see someone open carrying in public I'm gonna think them as having borderline paranoia. I mean, how dangerous is walmart really? Frankly if someone is close enough for me to be able to claim no escape and as such be a justifiable shooting, I'd simply rather take their gun as a prize and not lose mine to an investigation
But, bet your behind if I'm in a remote area or have the possibility of breaking down in a remote area I am armed, seems irresponsible not to be, but around town it seems a bit ridiculous(to me). I like to think I'm open minded so maybe one of you could set me straight or give me a new outlook.
Anything I routinely have to justify to strangers or answer questions about often is too much of a hassle for me...for those reasons CCW it is.
Maybe it's just my generation, but if I see someone open carrying in public I'm gonna think them as having borderline paranoia. I mean, how dangerous is walmart really? Frankly if someone is close enough for me to be able to claim no escape and as such be a justifiable shooting, I'd simply rather take their gun as a prize and not lose mine to an investigation
But, bet your behind if I'm in a remote area or have the possibility of breaking down in a remote area I am armed, seems irresponsible not to be, but around town it seems a bit ridiculous(to me). I like to think I'm open minded so maybe one of you could set me straight or give me a new outlook.
JesseL
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wickedsprint said:
It's not as much hassle as you think. Most people are absolutely blind to open carry. In eight years of open carrying I've had two people ask if I'm a police officer.
So if you can see the gun someone is carrying, they have borderline paranoia; but if someone is concealing their weapon, they're normal? I smell cognitive dissonance.
Also remember, you don't get to choose when or where an emergency is going to happen. You can only prepare yourself in hopes of mitigating the damage when it happens. I don't just wear my seatbelt when I'm planning on crashing my car and I don't just carry my gun when I think I might have to use it (as a matter of fact, I specifically avoid situations where I think I might have to use it).
Please rethink that plan. If someone is carrying a gun and you think they're a threat, odds are that it's already in their hand. Wrestling for someone else's gun is far more likely to get you killed than drawing your own.
Maine is OC legal, but like open carry org says it's anomolous (sp). you can open carry however in vehicles your firearms must not be loaded or readily loaded, I think this is probably something the fish & game people forced in there, because we certainly don't have any problems with drive-by shootings up here, not that a law against having loaded firearms would prevent someone from shooting at people anyway, but you know how certain legislators think.
i think it's an extension to the prohibitions on hunting from a motor vehicle, so that the fich/wildlife people can spank you with a charge for even being capable of breaking their rules. hunting is major up here. seems silly to me, I wish it was just OC anytime anywhere.
i think it's an extension to the prohibitions on hunting from a motor vehicle, so that the fich/wildlife people can spank you with a charge for even being capable of breaking their rules. hunting is major up here. seems silly to me, I wish it was just OC anytime anywhere.
New Hampshire allows open carry without a license. I have open carried there, in Hanover, because I like not having to ask permission to exercise a right. I even left my driver's license in the car, in case i got asked for my "papers." No one even batted an eye. Went right into the belly of the beast at the Dartmouth bookstore, browsed, bought a book, sat and read it with a cup of coffee.
Felt great. I posted about in at opencarry.org, and someone said having no ID on you is what he called "sterile carry" (I think). In reference to me saying how it felt better than concealed carry (like it's something bad I have to hide), especially with no permit or ID, the poster said "That is the feeling of a free man." I think he is right.
wickedsprint
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The reason I would think them as paranoid is because they want everyone to see their gun...like look at me I'm a badass, even though I have the option of concealing I'd rather have you know I have a gun...it doesn't make sense to me. If I'm robbing a bank..guess who gets taken out first..the guy with a gun on his hip. It makes sense in the woods because the critters you potentially face require bigger and harder to conceal guns.
Because of how far a firearm can project its lethality it also bothers me that people with no firearms training whatsoever can walk around with a loaded firearm in public. This is partially due to a person at the local shooting area having an AD near me. While it may be a right to own the guns according to the 2A, I think some training should be in order to carry in public, be it CCW or open. Not every redneck or hoodlum shares our passion for marksmanship and safety and the idea of a safe backstop..even when defending themselves might be a completely alien concept to them.
Because of how far a firearm can project its lethality it also bothers me that people with no firearms training whatsoever can walk around with a loaded firearm in public. This is partially due to a person at the local shooting area having an AD near me. While it may be a right to own the guns according to the 2A, I think some training should be in order to carry in public, be it CCW or open. Not every redneck or hoodlum shares our passion for marksmanship and safety and the idea of a safe backstop..even when defending themselves might be a completely alien concept to them.
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JesseL
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wickedsprint said:
As I said in another thread; be careful when you try to assign motives to other peoples actions, and you'd have to do something a lot more outrageous than open carry to get much attention around here.
Open carry is:
- Comfortable
- Unremarkable to most of the public
- A visible deterrant to two-legged predators
- Legal for anyone who can own a gun, without a gov't permission slip (in this locale at least)
- An easy way to carry a bigger gun, which works better for all kinds of critters
- A right we shouldn't lose to neglect
- Less trouble than worrying about printing
Being armed isn't strange or shameful.
Bennett Prescott
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LKB3rd, Hanover is where I grew up and where I still keep my legal address. I carry there often, although concealed... most of the people I know are cool about it, but I'd rather not find out the hard way. It was nice to know I could carry openly when I started getting interested in pistols, but I really got the CCW so I could carry in other states.
Wish I was in NH more often, beautiful area, but it's hours away from everywhere else I have to be for work. Glad to see someone else using their liberties in that town!
JesseL
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wickedsprint said:
- Any law you pass to restrict people carrying arms will have no effect on the people you're worried about (criminals don't obey the law) and be a further burden to the people you don't worry about.
- Driving a car or flying a plane are not constitutionally protected rights. The right to self defense is corollary to the right to liberty and life itself.
- When was the last time anyone heard of a 'redneck or hoodlum' open carrying to 'project power'? This would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
wickedsprint
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I agree with you on the restrictions, I did an entire semester for my Bachelors degree on the subject, I WANT everyone to be armed, just with some training. We however have two mild arguments going on here, the issue of training, and open vs. CCW.
While the 2A protects our ownership, it does not guarantee us the right to carry in public with no training. This is why is most states it is illegal to do so, but in essentially all of them it is still legal to own, with varying degrees of loopholes.
For the same reason you need training to use your 2A protected weapon to hunt or shoot an animal, I think you should need some to carry in public, this is not an unreasonable demand.
This is meant to be a friendly debate and I actually hope my mind gets changed.
I think I was stationed too long in California, because when I poll most of my friends, they are in agreement with you guys on the open carry in that it is not weird.
I am starting to come around on the open carry idea, because if everyone was open carrying it would be one hell of a deterrent.
I still think there should be some basic training to do so in public places, even if simply a basic course.
While the 2A protects our ownership, it does not guarantee us the right to carry in public with no training. This is why is most states it is illegal to do so, but in essentially all of them it is still legal to own, with varying degrees of loopholes.
For the same reason you need training to use your 2A protected weapon to hunt or shoot an animal, I think you should need some to carry in public, this is not an unreasonable demand.
This is meant to be a friendly debate and I actually hope my mind gets changed.
I think I was stationed too long in California, because when I poll most of my friends, they are in agreement with you guys on the open carry in that it is not weird.
I am starting to come around on the open carry idea, because if everyone was open carrying it would be one hell of a deterrent.
I still think there should be some basic training to do so in public places, even if simply a basic course.
JesseL
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Maybe that's true in the projects. Most of the country is not the projects. Where I live, I have never seen someone 'flash' a gun, but I have seen many perfectly respectable folks open carrying as they go about their business. I suspect that there's a pretty significant cultural rift between our respective locales.
I think you need to check out the meanings of 'bear' and 'infringed'. I also suggest you actually read up on just how many states allow unlicensed open carry and how many have no training requirement for ccw. Also note how few of these states have 'blood running in the streets' due to their lax laws.
I do think that anyone who owns or carries a firearm has a responsibility to know how to use it safely and wisely. I don't think the government has any business making training mandatory for anyone to exercise their rights. It would be nice if more high schools offered firearm safety/familiarization classes.
wickedsprint
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That's a good idea with the high schools, when I was in school we actually got basic firearm handling instruction in the 6th grade, granted it was with pellet guns but it still applies. This wasn't even that long ago, around 1992. Pretty sure they don't do this anymore.
I ask you to think of the most dangerous or "off" person you know or have known. Ask yourself if you would feel comfortable with them having a loaded gun with zero training or firearms familiarization while seated next to your family at dinner...without you being there.
I ask you to think of the most dangerous or "off" person you know or have known. Ask yourself if you would feel comfortable with them having a loaded gun with zero training or firearms familiarization while seated next to your family at dinner...without you being there.
JesseL
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wickedsprint said:
Of course I wouldn't feel comfortable with that situation. I wouldn't like that situation even if they weren't armed or if they had years of training. Thankfully my family has sense enough to not invite someone like that to dinner, and my wife is pretty competent to defend herself as well.
Anyone so dangerous or unstable that they can't be trusted with a firearm, should be in a mental institution, a prison, or dead. Restricting their right to own or carry a firearm is just spitting in the wind.
wickedsprint
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I never said they had to be in YOUR house, that's the point I have been trying to make, this could be in a public place where your family already started down to eat, and then the wacko sits down next to them and has an AD because he starts messing with it and has no idea what he's doing.
I used the "off" person as an extreme example obviously, but just because someone is stable or trustworthy doesn't mean they can be trusted. I recently had someone next to me at the local shooting area have an AD while clearing his weapon, think of how bad that could have been if say he was in a more crowded area and was simply showing the gun to a friend...or showing said gun to a friend while next to yours or my family.
Do you think that the guns should remain holstered in public at all times unless being pulled to use them? I wonder if that would render our whole argument moot, since it allows for our self defense and the ownership and carrying.
I used the "off" person as an extreme example obviously, but just because someone is stable or trustworthy doesn't mean they can be trusted. I recently had someone next to me at the local shooting area have an AD while clearing his weapon, think of how bad that could have been if say he was in a more crowded area and was simply showing the gun to a friend...or showing said gun to a friend while next to yours or my family.
Do you think that the guns should remain holstered in public at all times unless being pulled to use them? I wonder if that would render our whole argument moot, since it allows for our self defense and the ownership and carrying.
JesseL
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I guess that's just one of the risks you take in life.
Fortunately it seems to be a pretty small risk, because despite the fact that any adult with a clean record can purchase and carry a firearm, I've never known anybody to actually have an incident like the one you outlined.
There are very few people I truly trust. There aren't many people I would hand a loaded gun, but there aren't many I would trust to say who can have a gun and who can't either. Until we get an omniscient king in charge of things, I prefer to give everyone's rights the benefit of the doubt and hope they'll do the same for me.
Fortunately it seems to be a pretty small risk, because despite the fact that any adult with a clean record can purchase and carry a firearm, I've never known anybody to actually have an incident like the one you outlined.
There are very few people I truly trust. There aren't many people I would hand a loaded gun, but there aren't many I would trust to say who can have a gun and who can't either. Until we get an omniscient king in charge of things, I prefer to give everyone's rights the benefit of the doubt and hope they'll do the same for me.
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