Any stories of bad advice you received regards guns?

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trekker73 said:
Good point LaneP and I notice it runs a little like this on forums too, especially as they cant see the age or demeanour of the fella asking advice. You could have 30 years shooting experience, but ask your first questions on a new forum, some will assume you are 18 yrs of age.The early software it was different, questions were judged at face value because post counts werent recorded. Post counts I always found a strange idea, like going to a gunshow where everyone is wearing a badge to denote how many conversations they have had.
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Post counts are useful when you get people who signed up just to disrupt the board.
 
mjsdwash said:
not advise exactly, but sometimes leaning into suggestion, I wonder about the many people on ALL forums that can state "I shoot a super blackhawk with full power 300 grain loads, and its comfortable", or "12 gauge buck/slugs all day with no pain"... junk with 44mags mostly, but occasionally 454, 460, and so or the others along that line. Like what? We're supposed to believe that that which is legitimately beyond the stress limits of human physiology somehow doesn't apply to internet forum users?
Its fine for those have been around, and brush it off, but what about all those new users who think these people are telling the truth? It feels like the first time I talked to a tuner circle and they all were convinced their street hondas ran 7 second quarters.... they just made it up, and no one called it out, so it must be real?
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Ha ha. That was me for a few weeks. I shot my only gun, a 629, with store-bought magnum loads and it wasn’t bad at all.

I guess I don’t have an exaggerated sensitivity to recoil like the guys I see talking on the forums. I can shoot whatever I like.

Enter two 44 spl snubs, stage left, to give me my comeuppance.
 
There is an extremely intelligent, experienced, well-qualified and well-known firearms expert who, for reasons I don’t understand, advises the non-paying public, if they have just shot someone in self defense, to approach the responding officers and discuss the incident in attempt to convince them of something he calls “the active dynamic.”

Ladies and gentlemen, don’t do that.

“officer, I want to tell you everything I know, in detail, and I need my lawyer present.”

That’s what you say, and there are no exceptions.
 
Mr. Mosin said:
@Kleanbore to phrase this plainly... your telling me that Joe Bob who just saw his wife/daughter/mother raped is just... supposed to stand there and act like a mewling kitten ? That goes against the entirety of human nature- against the entirety of man's nature. That one would be capable of standing by while his SO is being raped/molested/beaten... I'd question if he was worth his wife's effort to marry.
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You need to study use of force law more deeply.

Your comments here would lead us to believe that you know little or nothing about the subject.
 
pairof44sp said:
“officer, I want to tell you everything I know, in detail, and I need my lawyer present.”
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This.
I've taught my children that police do good work, but at the same time they're not their friend, the police will have no problem cuffing them and stuffing them should they want to.

Respect their power, but don't forget your rights.
 
Mr. Mosin said:
@Kleanbore to phrase this plainly... your telling me that Joe Bob who just saw his wife/daughter/mother raped is just... supposed to stand there and act like a mewling kitten ? That goes against the entirety of human nature- against the entirety of man's nature. That one would be capable of standing by while his SO is being raped/molested/beaten... I'd question if he was worth his wife's effort to marry.
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First of all, you're mixing two things that are very different when it comes to justification for the use of deadly force.

"...just saw his wife/daughter/mother raped..." This is in the past tense--the crime has already been committed.
"...standing by while his SO is being raped/molested/beaten..." This is in the present tense--the crime is in the process of being committed.

LEGAL deadly force is to prevent the imminent commission, or to halt the commission of certain very serious crimes when no other reasonable alternatives exist. Use of deadly force to punish a person for a crime that has already been completed, or to retaliate is not legal.

It may seem justifiable, and it's possible that a jury might not be willing to convict a person under some circumstances even when the law has clearly been broken, but that doesn't change the facts. It is never legal to use deadly force to retaliate for or as punishment for completed actions.

It wasn't always that way, Back in the 1800s, it was legal in TX to shoot a person who had committed certain serious crimes even while they were fleeing, as long as they were within gunshot of the location where the crime was committed. Those days are gone.

Second, you're mixing legality with emotion. The two things are very different. Trying to mix the two things doesn't work. Things that seem very "right" or "natural" aren't always legal and pretending that it makes sense to conflate legality and emotion just leads to nonsense, at best. In this case, it created a situation where it seemed reasonable to insult someone by taking their correct statement of legal principles and pretending that they related to that person's character or nature. Now that it's clear how that can happen, you also, no doubt, understand that it's completely unacceptable.

Third, it's important to keep in mind that intent can be a critical component of whether the use of force is justified or not. If a person provides information that can be interpreted as a preconceived intent to use deadly force, even in circumstances where it isn't legal, and then ends up in a deadly force situation, those comments can certainly be used against them if they are located. It's becoming more and more common for LE to look for information online to use in prosecutions. It's wise to take care when posting to insure that statements can't be misconstrued in a way that might complicate a legal defense at some point in the future.
 
Kleanbore said:
You need to study use of force law more deeply.

Your comments here would lead us to believe that you know little or nothing about the subject.
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My comments would reveal to you the truth of such, and the necessity to do what is necessary.
 
JohnKSa said:
First of all, you're mixing two things that are very different when it comes to justification for the use of deadly force.

"...just saw his wife/daughter/mother raped..." This is in the past tense--the crime has already been committed.
"...standing by while his SO is being raped/molested/beaten..." This is in the present tense--the crime is in the process of being committed.

LEGAL deadly force is to prevent the imminent commission, or to halt the commission of certain very serious crimes when no other reasonable alternatives exist. Use of deadly force to punish a person for a crime that has already been completed, or to retaliate is not legal.

It may seem justifiable, and it's possible that a jury might not be willing to convict a person under some circumstances even when the law has clearly been broken, but that doesn't change the facts. It is never legal to use deadly force to retaliate for or as punishment for completed actions.

It wasn't always that way, Back in the 1800s, it was legal in TX to shoot a person who had committed certain serious crimes even while they were fleeing, as long as they were within gunshot of the location where the crime was committed. Those days are gone.

Second, you're mixing legality with emotion. The two things are very different. Trying to mix the two things doesn't work. Things that seem very "right" or "natural" aren't always legal and pretending that it makes sense to conflate legality and emotion just leads to nonsense, at best. In this case, it created a situation where it seemed reasonable to insult someone by taking their correct statement of legal principles and pretending that they related to that person's character or nature. Now that it's clear how that can happen, you also, no doubt, understand that it's completely unacceptable.

Third, it's important to keep in mind that intent can be a critical component of whether the use of force is justified or not. If a person provides information that can be interpreted as a preconceived intent to use deadly force, even in circumstances where it isn't legal, and then ends up in a deadly force situation, those comments can certainly be used against them if they are located. It's becoming more and more common for LE to look for information online to use in prosecutions. It's wise to take care when posting to insure that statements can't be misconstrued in a way that might complicate a legal defense at some point in the future.
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The extent of the absolute uselessness of some laws are quickly becoming evident.
 
@JohnKSa @Kleanbore understand that I'm not discussing legality right now. I'm discussing human psychology. The primal urge- no, need- to protect that what is "yours" and to annihilate all who would threaten it.
 
Mr. Mosin said:
"Unreasonable" ???????? Let's leave it unspoken about what I'd do to someone who raped my sister, mother, or future wife. Let's just say "unpleasant" would be an understatement.
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The point you fail to understand that what you think is reasonable, and what twelve people who couldn't figure out how to get out of jury duty is reasonable, may well be two different things, especially when the judge places a clear definition of the law in their instructions. Letting your amygdala get the best of you may cost you your freedom.
 
Any generalization about what is best. 30.06 is the only gun worth having for hunting anything black tail to moose, Glock is the best polymer pistol, etc.

After hearing much of this, I bought a Glock. Couldn't stand it, the ergonomics were all wrong for me. Sold it and bought a Walther, for me that is a fantastic gun.
 
entropy said:
The point you fail to understand that what you think is reasonable, and what twelve people who couldn't figure out how to get out of jury duty is reasonable, may well be two different things, especially when the judge places a clear definition of the law in their instructions. Letting your amygdala get the best of you may cost you your freedom.
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Mmm. Pray tell I never have to find out what I'd do in such a scenario.
 
Mr. Mosin said:
]understand that I'm not discussing legality right now. I'm discussing human psychology. The primal urge- no, need- to protect that what is "yours" and to annihilate all who would threaten it.... Pray tell I never have to find out what I'd do in such a scenario.
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You continue to create permanent, searchable evidence that, in the event of an incident in which the totality of the evidence may appear ambiguous, could lead to your conviction.

Do not do this.
 
Mr. Mosin said:
@Kleanbore to phrase this plainly... your telling me that Joe Bob who just saw his wife/daughter/mother raped is just... supposed to stand there and act like a mewling kitten ? That goes against the entirety of human nature- against the entirety of man's nature. That one would be capable of standing by while his SO is being raped/molested/beaten... I'd question if he was worth his wife's effort to marry.
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You write "saw [her] raped". What was he doing while it was going on? That was the time to act.
 
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