Anyone actually Been in a "Situation?"

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I have a co-worker who recently had a "situation" arise at his home.

The way he told it: about 11:30pm on a Saturday night he was sitting in the living room watching TV when he heard a loud commotion in his yard. Reving engine horn honking ect. He lives in the country no houses around.

He hears people yelling and what not; so he gets up grabs his Ruger semi auto 22 pistol and goes outside barefooted to see what the H E Double Hockey Sticks is going on. Two men are standing in his yard yelling for some guy he has never heard of, saying he had better come out right now. The men were obviously very intoxicated. He told them they must be at the wrong house, because no one by that name lived here and to leave before he called the cops. One of the men fired a shot at him which hit his house. Of course he didn't know that at the time, he instictively ducked behind a trash can and fired back, emptying his 22 pistol into thier general area.

Of course this happened fast so after they shot at him and he began firing they turned to leave, jumped back into their truck and fled. His wife called 911 after she heard the first shot.

The Sheriff's Dept. arrives about 20 min later. He explains the situation and they call the local hospital's to see if anyone has come in. The cops are there for a while taking his statement and investigating. About an hour later they get confirmation that two men were in a local emergency room. One has a gun shot wound to the left shoulder and one has been shot in the upper chest.

The cops found a 9mm hand gun in their truck which also had bullet holes in the back glass and tailgate.

My frind/co-worker was never placed under arrest and the cops said they felt he had done what any reasonable person would do. The two men survived the gun shot wounds and were placed in custody. They guy who was shot in the chest got hit in the collar bone and according to the Sheriff's Dept was in the worst shape of the two.

Of course my friend's weapon was taken for investigative purposes. He didn't hear from the Sheriff's Dept. again, so about 8 months later he called them. (He told me he was scared to do it because the last thing he had heard from them was they would let him know if he was going to face any charges when they completed thier investigation.) Anyway, he called and was told he could pick up his gun anytime he just had to sign some forms. It took him 2 more months to actually build up the courage to go :D

I don't know if this is typical, but that's what happened to him. I will say that I think it is fortunate it happened in the county jurisdiction as the County Sheriff is pretty good about giving law abiding citizens the benifit of the doubt, which I would say most likely happened in this situation.
 
I am glad this worked out well for him. I feel you should never leave the protection of the house in a situation like this and call the cops first IMHO
 
What do you bet your friend invests in something more potent than a .22 in the near future? :uhoh:

Glad he's all right. Chalk one up for the good guys.
 
Yes, twice.

I've been on the wrong side of a home invasion. I also had a mentally disturbed soldier draw down on me with a 1911 in our unit armory. It was just the two of us present at the time so I had to talk him into lowering the pistol. After some time in Mannheim he was shipped home with a dishonorable discharge.

In both instances it was just a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hopefully I've reached my quota.
 
Nearly shot a knife wielding female junkie robbing a c-store years ago when I was working armed security. I couldn't get a shot because the clerk was between me and the robber and the clerk froze up. He nearly got disemboweled by her several times before she ran out empty handed.

The surveillance cameras caught it all and she was known by the cops and all the 'hood so they found her in a day or two. Had I shot her it would've been ugly as the broad was about 5 months pregnant with her boyfriend/pimp's baby.
 
I'm proud of the way I handled my one 'situation.' I was out of state & in a rental car around midnight needing quick directions to my location. Pulled into a parking lot to use a payphone as cellphones were still for rich people then. Didn't like the looks of two guys loitering at the place so I pulled on through and went to a different convenience store across the street. As I was making my phone call, the two guys began walking in my direction. Maybe I was being paranoid but something just didn't feel right. I got in the car to pull away. Then I realized I'd left my daytimer at the phone. After seeing that the guys walk into the convenience store, I pulled back up to the phone to retrieve my daytimer and I decided to go ahead and make the phone call.

As I did so, the two guys came out of the store and began walking directly towards me. The reason I'm proud of the incident is that I had the presence of mind to leave the car standing between me and the convenience store, running & with the door open. I was able simply to get in the car and drive away. I considered reaching for my Glock 27, but I didn't have to.

Doesn't sound all that exciting, but I have always felt like it was a crisis averted.
 
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2:30 AM and I arrive at a Holiday Inn next to an interstate in rural Georgia . . . dog tired.

The clerk gives me a room on the very backside of this old motel and when start getting my stuff out of the car, a dark-skinned fella in a black jogging suit with a hood suddenly appears.

"Say man, let me help you with your bags."

"Damn," I thought, "No one around and this clown is standing in the pathway I'll have to walk and he's closing FAST."

My hand was already inside a bag I was toting, as if it was gripping a gun (which it WAS . . . my S&W 65 .357).

I told him forcefully, in very graphic language, that he'd better get the f______ away from me immediately.

He complied. I guess he didn't want to take the chance I was bluffing him! The cockroach again drifted back into the shadows.

I called the front desk and told them I wanted a room on the SECURE side of the motel, as I'd made reservations for, and they gave it to me.

I packed back up and went to the other side of the motel that was more secure. Guess who was walking around over there!

That's just one "situation" . . . there have been others . . . and will be more in the future. That's just how it is in today's society where we turn 'em back out on the streets over and over.

A good guy, legally carrying, changes the odds dramatically!

T.
 
I'm proud that I had enough sense about me to go through the hoops, get the permit, learn the ropes and understand the responsibility involved without having a "situation" as inspiration.

I'm sure something really sketchy will happen someday, but hopefully it will turn out diverted. I still need (and want) some serious training though.
 
What do you bet your friend invests in something more potent than a .22 in the near future?

Playing devils advocate, why would he? The .22 worked just fine, right? I mean, you don't have to have fresh corpses littered about to call it a successful engagement, and he obviously experienced just that. You can bring all the "what-ifs" and "shoulda-coulda's" up that you want, but in the end it's all about surviving and it would appear in this case that the .22 was enough gun.
 
I diverted a situation a month or so ago during my break at work and before I had my permit, so I wasn't carrying and wasn't close to my car.

Empty plaza, and while I was heading to one of the local restaurents a guy with a hood up (on a 70-degree day) slipped out from behind a pillar and asked if I had change for a dollar for the phone.

"Sorry, don't have any change on me. Get it changed at one of these shops."
"Nothing, man? C'mon, I just need to break a dollar." Still advancing, of course.
"No, sorry." Stick my hands in my pockets. "Nothing on me. Stop in the Chinese place here, they're always good for that."
His tone had gone demanding. "No, man, you need to help me out."
"I don't have any change." I hooked a finger on my pen, pulled the clip back, and snapped it down with a much better-known metallic click. Major gamble, I know.

His expression changed. "...yeah. A'ight." And away he went, trying not to draw any attention.

I told the guy at the deli I stopped in, and he told me they knew about him, but he never gets caught--he would keep an eye out and call the cops next time he saw him before anything started again. I haven't seen Mr. Hood since.
 
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Glad your friend's experience turned out the way it did. Thankfully, his local law officers were intelligent and properly trained.

If he saw the men in the yard it might gave been better to stay inside for cover and concealment. Unfortunately, sometimes it is necessary to step outside to see what is happening.My front door is at right angle to the front gate. So, I have to emerge from the house to see who is at the gate. You got me to thinking about how to improve this situation.

When I lived in LA some years ago, there was a rash of ATM holdups in the San Fernando Valley. My bank's ATM was in the rear parking lot and, yes, there was wide stand of large shrubbery withing about fifteen feet. I often had to make withdrawls at night. This seemed like the perfect set up for a robbery. I drove into the lot, stopping about twenty feet from the shrubbs and ATM, high beams on and emerged from car with my only handgun at the time- S&W Model 1917. I would walk up to the ATM scanning the scene with hte gun in my hand at my side. Do my business one handed and return to hte car. One time I heard rustling in the shrubbs but it could have been a cat or dog. This went on for some months. Finally, Bank of American had the good sense to relocate the ATM to the front of the building on the street where the public is.

In those day we actually had a cop walking a beat, at least in the day time. He was a crusty old veteran who was probably hired by Chief Parker. I told him what I wsa doing and he responded with something like. "Good plan, stay alert, follow through"', man of few words.

Technically, I was breaking the law by walking around the bank parking lot with a loaded firearm without the bank's consent. He carred not one jot about that.

What a difference a decade makes?
 
Some of these "situations" posted are unmentionably tame. I just watched a 48hrs about a guy who was threatened on a Arizona nature trail. The perp had two visious dogs and made threats. He shot and killed the perp with 10mm hollow points. Then he got 20 years, Jury said the hollow points were the deciding factor in that they are designed to kill.

If I am attacked or threatened you can bet I won't draw on an unarmed man. I'll take a beating vs 20 years in the pen.

What I am saying is homeless people asking for change in no way justifies even thinking about drawing.

Times are tough and you will see a lot of homeless desparate people. Don't become the press Poster Child toward disbanning the CCW rights.
 
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What I am saying is homeless people asking for change in no way justifies even thinking about drawing.

I make a point to toss a couple of the local homeless change when I have it, because they're either mentally not all there, or actually hungry.

There's a couple that hang around the local Home Depot, which I pass when I leave Dominos. They get fed when I go through.

Your misunderstanding--if it was on my situation; if not, my humblest apologies in advance--was that this particular guy was obviously not homeless to judge by his demeanor and clothing, his body language was sending me signals, and I have never met anyone that starts making demands instead of heading off when you don't have change.

That was the encounter that's put me on the lookout for an LCP or Kel-Tec, though.

And if said beating results in your death, at least you didn't get 20 years in jail. Good thinking.

The prison someone ends up in for something like that, even justified? I'd risk death before risking twenty.
 
Deux, you trusted your instincts. The 6th sense is important and hard to put on paper to describe. I'm sure you had the correct judgement but the post just came across a little different to me.


As far as an unarmed man beating me to death I think the odds are against it. It would have to be someone in really good shape with training. Those people are typically of very sound mind and not about to do random bare-handed killings.
 
I know, it sounds a paranoid in writing, but that sixth sense thing is really what breaks it.

In my case, it wasn't that--he wasn't holding the bill, like most people do when asking, and his overall demeanor was more of someone having cornered a mark.

I haven't had any wrong gut feelings, but it's just hard to put into writing how obvious it is when someone doesn't just want change in a situation like that.
 
Yea if we were writers we would be getting paid for posting on the internet.:eek:
 
Shooting an UNarmed man instead of the dogs was not smart, hence the 20 years imprisonment. i am sorry for his bad judgement. It is alwasy better to walk away from a confrontation if one's mind is unclear as to the correct application of force.

The "take a beating" concept is unclear. If you give as good as you get it should not amount to much. If your assailant is Leon Spinks then you would be justified in using Deadly Force to defend yourself.
 
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yes but shooting an unarmed man (w/out even a knife) raises a big flag to the police and judiciary. A few days in bed or a cast is better than being run thru the courts.
 
If I am attacked or threatened you can bet I won't draw on an unarmed man...

...As far as an unarmed man beating me to death I think the odds are against it. It would have to be someone in really good shape with training.

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You may want to reconsider your beliefs about the lethality of an "unarmed" assault. You may be young, strong, and a well -trained fighter. A sucker punch to the head can still drop your skull to the pavement in a dead fall from six feet, resulting perhaps in a debilitating or fatal fracture. That very thing has happened to at least three innocent citizens in my city in the last year - that I know of.
 
Originally Posted by:TimboKhan

Playing devils advocate, why would he? The .22 worked just fine, right? I mean, you don't have to have fresh corpses littered about to call it a successful engagement, and he obviously experienced just that. You can bring all the "what-ifs" and "shoulda-coulda's" up that you want, but in the end it's all about surviving and it would appear in this case that the .22 was enough gun.


Oddly enough He has said that he was glad he only used a .22, He was glad he did not kill them, that would have probably changed things for him.

Good discussion. That's what this board is all about. :)
 
I would not take a beating from someone with dogs.... ok that was a bad situation and he ended up paying time for an uneducated emotional jury, but if someone is threatening you with dogs, do not take the beating. My GF on her nursing rotation just dealt with a patient that had both arms and 1/2 of a leg eaten off by a pack of dogs (Detroit has a lot of dogs that have reverted to a more primal existence). One of the reasons she now insists I always carry.
 
The guy who was sentenced for the shooting was in a bad situation. He shot a guy who was threatening him with some dogs and if I remember correctly there were no witnesses right?

I bet if he had shot the dogs first as they attacked him, things would have played out differently.
 
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