Successful Repulsion of Home Invasion (Actual Incident)

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I believe this is the proper subforum - I wanted to share a friend's recent experience. It could have been handled better or worse - I'm just glad he's safe. I'm always interested in these real-life encounters because they tend to remind me that defensive situations never turn out the way you plan (that's a lesson I've had to relearn too many times).

He lives in a sketchy neighborhood in a mid-sized western city. While home with his baby one night recently, this friend (call him "B") heard a knock at the front door, went to check and no one was there. Pretty soon there was commotion out back, and the back door began to rattle. He approached the back door and saw two rough-looking young men through the window, trying to get in; they didn't see him.

B is a gentle soul, generally trusting, and doesn't take a whole lot of home-defense precautions. I'm not sure if he had ever handled a firearm outside of scout camp.

Frightened, B ran to his bedroom, where the .22 Rifle he had just inherited from his grandpa was stowed safely in the closet. He shoved a handful of rounds into the tube, and started creeping back toward the kitchen (where the back door is). Mind you, all of the lights were on in the house, and from the outside it definitely looked as though there was someone home.

Just as he peered into the kitchen, holding his rifle at his hip, the back door was kicked in and the glass panes shattered all over the floor. The two guys (who B says looked incredibly strung out) rushed into the kitchen about 10 feet from where he was standing. Without thinking, B halfway raised the little rifle and started pulling the trigger. Two rounds were fired before the old gun jammed - one round hit the top of the door jamb, the other hit the ceiling.

The bad guys apparently weren't expecting such a show of force - their eyes went wide and the one closest to the door bolted. Unfortunately for the other, he tried to leave too quickly and fell hands-first into the broken glass from the door/window. B (a larger fellow) started to run at him, but the scared burglar made it out the door and into the night about the same time B cut his bare feet on the same glass.

B told me that he then called the cops, and while waiting for them realized that his feet were bleeding quite a bit. The cops didn't seem to care much about the shooting. They told him he did the right thing, although it "would have been a lot more paperwork if [he] had hit one of them." They left quickly after taking his statement so he could get to the ER to stitch his soles.

Like I said, I'm just glad he and his boy are safe. Although this story has inspired me to be more disciplined about keeping my slippers handy.
 
I read somewhere that 22LR with high or hyper velocity hollow point bullets (eg Stingers, Cyclones) have a "first shot stop" percentage of about 35 percent. That ain't bad...it ain't good, but it ain't bad, either, considering how tiny those things are. I'm all for bigger iron, as Mike says, but still...I was surprised by the data, figuring it would be more like around 10 percent at best...
 
There are some folks who, for reason of budget, health issues or other things are forced to use a .22LR for defensive purposes. No, it isn't an optimum choice- but sometimes choice isn't a possibility for some people. Not everyone faces the same circumstances in life.

Almost any gun will do, if the shooter will do. In this case, it did do, even though the only blood was drawn by broken glass, not bullets. The home invaders fled, and probably don't know or even care that they were taken under fire with "only" a .22LR. In this case it was "enough gun."

The OP didn't set out to discuss self defense with a less than optimum caliber. But since the topic has been brought up, and since it may be an issue again down the road, I want to visit it briefly.

The first consideration IMHO in ANY defensive firearm is reliability. It HAS to work- or else it is but an unhandy club. Defensive firearms should be kept clean and properly lubricated, loaded with amunition that runs reliably, and stored under safe conditions where they are not accessible to unauthorized users. If they are worn or have broken parts, they should be repaired, and if they cannot be repaired and made reliable, they should be replaced.

With any less than optimum caliber in a defensive role, there are essentially two issues to consider. Number One is placement. Number Two is penetration.

I have seen several instant one-shot stops with a .22LR or a near equivalent (.25ACP). Or rather, to put it more precisely, as a working EMT I saw the AFTERMATH of several one shot stops with a less than optimum caliber. In each case, the bullet made entry into the interior of the skull and disrupted the victim's central nervous system. There was no treatment possible, in each case I worked where a small caliber bullet made its way into the cranial vault, the patient was dead on the scene. Oh, there were cases where victims were shot somewhere other than in the head, and were treated successfully. There were cases where people were shot somewhere other than the head, treated, and died later of infection etc.

The other issue with less than optimum calibers in defensive roles is penetration. It does no good to strike vital areas with bullets which cannot penetrate adequately to stop the aggressor. With such light weight and low velocity projectiles (comparatively speaking) as a .22LR, hypervelocity hollowpoints are apt to be the least penetrative projectiles available. They are not what I would choose for defensive use, if I had to make such a choice. I'd rather have a standard velocity 40 gr. round nose solid that would reliably run in the gun.

JMHO, YMMV...

lpl
 
Could he have done things differently? Sure. Did he work with what he had on hand? Yep.

Beyond caliber discussions, there is one lesson from this for us all.

ALWAYS make sure your firearms are in cleaned, oiled, and working condition.


-- John
 
"I don't need a $1000 shotgun; I need know how to run the gun i've got"

-Clint Smith
 
Hopefully he didn't pick up any nasty bugs from the blood contact. That's one thing I would take away from this, watch where you're stepping; you never know what these guys might have. I never wear shoes in the house, and this is something I hadn't really thought about.

On the other hand, chasing after the BGs isn't necessarily something I think I'd do either.
 
I'm glad your friend is ok. Maybe you should offer to take him shooting sometime.
 
Lee Lapin said:
The home invaders fled, and probably don't know or even care that they were taken under fire with "only" a .22LR.

At this point their probably sitting around their crack house talking about the guy who opened fire on them with a full clip from an Ak or Ar or whatever else their minds can imagine. Never mind it was really only a .22, it looks a lot bigger when it's being pointed at youLOL
It turned out ok, so your friend did a good job. You might want to mention to him, if theres any doubt in his mind about the cuts to his feet, to have a test done for HIV/Hep C/ ect. You don't know where the two home invaders (or their blood) has been. Not trying to scare him, but it's better to catch these things early rather than late....


M
 
Three peices of advice for your friend to consider.


Moccasins (approx: $35 - amazon.com)
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H&R Protector (approx: $200 (with tax and everything) - gunbroker.com or gunshop)
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Stand Alone Motion Detector with Key FOB (approx: $30+ amazon.com or Radioshack)
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Three peices of advice for your friend to consider.


Moccasins (approx: $35 - amazon.com)


H&R Protector (approx: $200 - gunbroker.com or gunshop)



Stand Alone Motion Detector with Key FOB (approx: $30+ amazon.com or Radioshack)

That's great!
 
BBQLS: He's already asked, and I've agreed to take him shooting.

JWarren: You're not kidding. I asked him what he would have done if his gun had jammed and then they started shooting? He's now in the market for a shotgun (worried they may come back to get even or something?)

If you're trying to get a better visual, or want to plan how you would respond tactically, (or if you want to imagine WWBWD [what would Bruce Willis do?]), here's my feeble mspaint attempt at the layout of B's house, an 80 year-old bungalow. The blue is broken glass and the red is cut feet/hands.

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Only bad thing I see after seeing the layout is that the gun was pointed in the general direction of the baby's room.

I would definitely suggest a shotgun for his situation.
 
I second the recommendation for blood testing (it would have even been smart to get samples of the blood of the bad guy to be tested if he had thought of it). Blood-to-blood contact with HIV isn't necessarily a sure route to infection, but it's a scary thought.

Yowza, that floor plan looks hellacious for purposes of defending the castle. I think I'd hole up in the bathroom to defend if possible.
 
Maverick 88 12-Ga Pump around $210 MSRP for either the 6 or 8 shot models.

A whole messa light target loads fired through it to "work-polish" that shotgun.

Reduced-Recoil (if you prefer) buckshot loads for 'Serious Socializing'

Inexpensive door alarm a good idea, too.
 
Baby's Room:

Since there is a possibility that an entry through the back would put the baby's room behind the perps, I would suggest that your amigo go to Ikea buy some book shelves and start lining the wall between Baby's room and Living room with Phone books, Hard Covers, Old College books and everything else.

Then buy a shot gun shooting BB or T shot. Those rounds shouldn't be able to go through the wall and through the shelves AND through the books...

ALSO, BASED ON YOUR DIAGRAM, the Logical place for him to defend the house if the motion alarms do not scare away the perps, is in the Hall way between the Master / Baby rooms and the living room. From the map you drew, there is only one to come from the kitchen / front door and that is into the living room, where your amigo will be able to have a safe and effective field of fire and some cover / concealment.

P.S. he needs to go down to the church and light a candle for his Grandfather... Had it not been for him, he would have been defending his life against two motivated attackers with a butcher knife or worse. Hail the honored dead.
 
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mbt2001 wrote:

the Logical place for him to defend the house if the motion alarms do not scare away the perps is in the Hall way between the Master / Baby rooms and the living room.

I agree. Personally I'd say that crouching in the shadows of the bathroom with the door open offers the perfect combination of concealment and a good line of fire.
 
First glad he is ok. I agree Grandpa should get a few thoughts/prayers for protecting his great grand son. (If I understood that)

I do agree that setup does not look defendable for one person (easily) If you get attackers from more then one direction the bedroom/bathroom side is only option. :( :( (of course we don't know about furniture that MIGHT help)
Better doors/shotgun training will help.
 
What Lee said. The .22 is what he has, and it worked. But it needs to be cleaned and lubed really well, and he needs to get some range time with it to familiarize himself with the gun and make sure it never jams again. He also needs to know how to clear a jam in a hurry.

Since it's an old gun (grampa's), it should be inspected by a gunsmith to make sure it's in top shape. Might need some deburring or new springs, might have a broken or missing part, or need a new extractor.

More/different firepower is definitely better, but I'd say he needs to make what he has reliable first. Bigger/better can come later.

JMHO.
 
Rondog said:
Since it's an old gun (grampa's), it should be inspected by a gunsmith to make sure it's in top shape. Might need some deburring or new springs, might have a broken or missing part, or need a new extractor.

I agree, but guns can take weeks to have even simple things done at the gun smith. The days of walking in and walking out even in 2 or 3 days haven't been around in awhile. My gunsmith is a jerk, does great work, but takes 4 weeks+ to do anything.

I would recommend getting the shotgun, rangetime and getting the .22 into the smithy to get geared up.
 
I'm glad he was successful in his defense of home and child. The .22 did the trick as most criminals are cowards by nature, and not looking for a fight.

Having inherited a few .22 rifles here and there, I can guess what the problem was/is. Probably the last time grandad used/cleaned the gun was decades instead of years. The old oil has turned to a sticky gunk, and is like glue in the action. The fact that he got off two shots is lucky. A good cleaning and some range time like was recomended will be a good thing.

If this is a non-gun person, and it seems like he may be, a shotgun may not be the best thing right off the bat. Let him get good and familiar with that rifle once its cleaned out. If he wants, he'll gravitate to something better. Or he may not.
 
The best armed encounter is the one you survive. It's pass or fail, and he passed. Does he need more training? Yes, but we all do. He didn't freeze up and do nothing. No one got hurt. (Not too badly, anyway.) I bet that NOW he's VERY willing to invest some time, money, and planning into home defense.

Now all he needs to do is join this forum and argue for the rest of his life about weapon and cartridge selection.
 
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