Logger describes shoot-out in woods SCARY
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1911Tuner
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>Leanwolf - interesting thought but I don't think any earth first types would be seen driving a "black SUV".<
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Unless it suited their purpose. Irrational people can justify anything...even down to using the very things that they stand against...in order to fulfill their agenda.
As with the pot farmer...don't rule it out. A random, target of opportunity/thrill kill attack on a logger going about his business? Certainly possible...but not highly likely.
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>Leanwolf - interesting thought but I don't think any earth first types would be seen driving a "black SUV".<
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Unless it suited their purpose. Irrational people can justify anything...even down to using the very things that they stand against...in order to fulfill their agenda.
As with the pot farmer...don't rule it out. A random, target of opportunity/thrill kill attack on a logger going about his business? Certainly possible...but not highly likely.
I have a simple question. How would the attackers know it would be a gunfight until after they provoked it? I always have a weapon handy, but do not flash it around, and anyone attacking me would find out quickly, but not before giving probable cause to fear for my continued exsitence
1911Tuner
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Simple Question
Half elf queried:
>I have a simple question. How would the attackers know it would be a gunfight until after they provoked it?<
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A very good point, sir. Maybe a probe...a "Recon by Fire" to see if loggers are armed and prepared to shoot back.
Half elf queried:
>I have a simple question. How would the attackers know it would be a gunfight until after they provoked it?<
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A very good point, sir. Maybe a probe...a "Recon by Fire" to see if loggers are armed and prepared to shoot back.
Michael Courtney
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I had an encounter one time with a self-proclaimed "animal rights activist" who threatened me with a shotgun and boasted about traveling through the woods on her ATV and shooting up deer stands with her 12 gauge. This was in the days before concealed carry in Ohio, so she saw that I was carrying openly. I was able to escape and evade without coming to blows.
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Natrual Order of Things
Predators & Prey
Predators can be opportunists, criminals, fugitives, or have mental problems - among other things.
Loggers.
Same thing this incident is about, occurs with folks in parks, hiking, hunting, backpackers, folks living off waterways...etc.
Some may be into drugs, fencing stolen goods, poaching, living as tresspassers (homeless, mentally ill, criminals, fugitives...).
I am in the Big City, 20 min from me is an area now developed. This road lead from the city to a more rural area, Ridges on both sides of the road. In the old days, the highway men would watch folks , sometimes they stole and worse for the goods being taken in for sale or barter - sometimes best to steal or worse when new goods being taken back home.
20 min again is an area off a river, illegal activities still occur, non law abiding hiding out, using boats to conduct activities, or mentally unstable coming into town.
I have been out hiking, hunting, or checking out property, I have had the shots fired, seen the booby traps. Even on property owned, way down on less checked on areas, one accessed by boat.
Fire upon folks to scare them off, if that don't work, the three "S"'s.
Spot in state where the road dead ends into a lake, history ...who knows how many folks from crooks, rapists, Law Abiding, Keepers of game , law and order ended up in that lake.
Then again there is an area 15 min away known to have the same history. I have flown over this area, sure interesting from the air.
This "behavoir " is not new, just some now just coming to realize just because they are humans, even law abiding humans, does not mean they are the top of the Natural Order of things. Predator & Prey. Be it getting shot at, snakebit, or infection from a rusty barbed wire fence.
Watch Animals, they will check out another to see if Predator, or Prey. They will "test" and then respond accordingly.
Momma quail feign a broken wing to lead a predator away from young.
Momma peacocks send the male with the huge flowery feathers to predators, she don't care about the male really, again the female is the deadliest of the two species. The males grow the huge feathers to vie attention of the female making them vulnerable to predators. They cannot evade with all them feathers, and sure cannot hide very well.
Female just wants her eggs fertile, then makes the male watch over them. What does she care about the male getting eaten?
Now if she sends the male peacock out, and nothing amiss, he is not eaten... back to being a submissive male and watching the young 'uns.
You shoot at a logger, maybe to warn, maybe to scare off to steal loggers vehicle and contents. Then again if schiz-d, the shots maybe to scare the voices in their head. Logger must be the voices...real to them.
Might be to not have any witnesses to a drop zone, girls kidnapped, raped, killed and buried...
One never knows...
What is important is be aware, train the brain , know how to use various tools to survive.
Makes no difference the "why" - when trouble comes the abilty to deal and survive is the main thing.
Predators & Prey
Predators can be opportunists, criminals, fugitives, or have mental problems - among other things.
Loggers.
Same thing this incident is about, occurs with folks in parks, hiking, hunting, backpackers, folks living off waterways...etc.
Some may be into drugs, fencing stolen goods, poaching, living as tresspassers (homeless, mentally ill, criminals, fugitives...).
I am in the Big City, 20 min from me is an area now developed. This road lead from the city to a more rural area, Ridges on both sides of the road. In the old days, the highway men would watch folks , sometimes they stole and worse for the goods being taken in for sale or barter - sometimes best to steal or worse when new goods being taken back home.
20 min again is an area off a river, illegal activities still occur, non law abiding hiding out, using boats to conduct activities, or mentally unstable coming into town.
I have been out hiking, hunting, or checking out property, I have had the shots fired, seen the booby traps. Even on property owned, way down on less checked on areas, one accessed by boat.
Fire upon folks to scare them off, if that don't work, the three "S"'s.
Spot in state where the road dead ends into a lake, history ...who knows how many folks from crooks, rapists, Law Abiding, Keepers of game , law and order ended up in that lake.
Then again there is an area 15 min away known to have the same history. I have flown over this area, sure interesting from the air.
This "behavoir " is not new, just some now just coming to realize just because they are humans, even law abiding humans, does not mean they are the top of the Natural Order of things. Predator & Prey. Be it getting shot at, snakebit, or infection from a rusty barbed wire fence.
Watch Animals, they will check out another to see if Predator, or Prey. They will "test" and then respond accordingly.
Momma quail feign a broken wing to lead a predator away from young.
Momma peacocks send the male with the huge flowery feathers to predators, she don't care about the male really, again the female is the deadliest of the two species. The males grow the huge feathers to vie attention of the female making them vulnerable to predators. They cannot evade with all them feathers, and sure cannot hide very well.
Female just wants her eggs fertile, then makes the male watch over them. What does she care about the male getting eaten?
Now if she sends the male peacock out, and nothing amiss, he is not eaten... back to being a submissive male and watching the young 'uns.
You shoot at a logger, maybe to warn, maybe to scare off to steal loggers vehicle and contents. Then again if schiz-d, the shots maybe to scare the voices in their head. Logger must be the voices...real to them.
Might be to not have any witnesses to a drop zone, girls kidnapped, raped, killed and buried...
One never knows...
What is important is be aware, train the brain , know how to use various tools to survive.
Makes no difference the "why" - when trouble comes the abilty to deal and survive is the main thing.
Mortech
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Ditto on what ArronE said about the PS NW , a few years back a 'SKS wacko' boobytrapped trails near my place . One of hs traps blew a deer apart and then a couple of days I found one on a trail (It was a soda can full of ball bearings and gunpowder rigged with a detonator through its bottom) . It was straight out of an improvised explosion army manual . There are also a few MJ patches being ultivated out here so I usually go out my a sidearm , and my WSAR-10 or my Cetme with 2 mags .
American By Blood
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Everyone going back and forth as to whether the shooters were rogue Earth First!ers has missed a vital point.
They were driving a black SUV. Sport-yoots are like kryptonite to the EF! crowd.
My bet is on either meth-makers or grass-growers.
They were driving a black SUV. Sport-yoots are like kryptonite to the EF! crowd.
My bet is on either meth-makers or grass-growers.
This happened in Tomahawk, Wisconsin ... something fishy about this.
I moved from WI --wow, 30 years ago. Back then Tomahawk was a northern WI resort area, I've been there, knew a guy from there, in the 70's the townspeople didn't lock their doors (houses & cars) ... I know times have changed but do they have gangs up there?
I'm thinking these people knew each other and had been feuding. Finally it came to shooting.
Any WI residents have thoughts on this?
I moved from WI --wow, 30 years ago. Back then Tomahawk was a northern WI resort area, I've been there, knew a guy from there, in the 70's the townspeople didn't lock their doors (houses & cars) ... I know times have changed but do they have gangs up there?
I'm thinking these people knew each other and had been feuding. Finally it came to shooting.
Any WI residents have thoughts on this?
What Hillbilly said.
And I could add a few more; mistaken identity, jealous boyfriend. Who knows at this stage.
It does seem though, at least per story, that it was the passenger who was the motivated party.
1. The best weapon for the "job", a rifle, wasn't employed by the initial shooter - but brought into action by the driver only after things weren't running too well for the passenger.
2. The driver drove off without the passenger leaving him to the chase - or his fate.
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And I could add a few more; mistaken identity, jealous boyfriend. Who knows at this stage.
It does seem though, at least per story, that it was the passenger who was the motivated party.
1. The best weapon for the "job", a rifle, wasn't employed by the initial shooter - but brought into action by the driver only after things weren't running too well for the passenger.
2. The driver drove off without the passenger leaving him to the chase - or his fate.
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beerslurpy
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Would someone translate what "sm" wrote into english? Sentence fragments and folksy colloquialisms for the lose.
GoRon
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He wrapped up his stream of consciousness with the whole point of his post.
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The authorities hope to have more details that can be released on the 26th. Everything else that is being said is pure speculation and people just talking.
bosshoff
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I go up to that area quite a bit. I have spoken to long-time residents, who have seen all sorts of crazies start to permeate the woods. Most residents are very cautious where they go for walks, etc. People go up into the woods and shoot all sorts of guns, etc. Now, I am one of these, but I am not too scary looking.
Personally, I have seen white supremacists driving in the area. They had an old White Econoline Ford van with racists bumper stickers covering the whole back. This was this last winter, about zero degrees, and I was thinking how fitting it would be for that old POS van to break down. No one would have given them a lift.
Personally, I have seen white supremacists driving in the area. They had an old White Econoline Ford van with racists bumper stickers covering the whole back. This was this last winter, about zero degrees, and I was thinking how fitting it would be for that old POS van to break down. No one would have given them a lift.
Duramaximum
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You don't know many logger who pack, huh? Here in Montana, I don't know any that don't.
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sturmruger
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I knew a few guys that worked as loggers when I was in High School. The guys I knew all kept some sort of gun handy, but I never knew of more then 1 gun.
TallPine
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I usually had a gun in the pickup when I was logging, though I wasn't as into guns back then as much as I am now. Mostly, I was just so busy working all the time and never had much money to spend on anything but fuel and fixing things.
I felt pretty well armed with a big chainsaw in my hands though
Nowadays, when I carry a revolver all the time anyway, I can't see any reason to disarm if I was working in the woods again - despite the added weight along with 50' tape, wedges, file, scrench, etc ....
I felt pretty well armed with a big chainsaw in my hands though
Nowadays, when I carry a revolver all the time anyway, I can't see any reason to disarm if I was working in the woods again - despite the added weight along with 50' tape, wedges, file, scrench, etc ....
crofrog
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For you people that think Earth Frist types wouldn't do things like this. Go read about ELF and ALF.
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Not a good idea to overgeneralize....in any group there are cowards and those that aren't. Bravery isn't the exclusive property of the righteous and pure, lots of bad guys have been brave, too. Thinking just because they're whack jobs they won't engage in a fight is a good way to get a bad (bad) surprise.
answerguy
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Gee whiz. Even an ardent pro-gun person like yourself and you jump to the conclusion that if he's carrying a weapon (or two) then he must be up to no good.
odysseus
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I understood what sm wrote. I liked it, he made good points. A lot of people have been made victims by evil-doers that no one ever finds out about. Just missing people.
Yes, first thing I thought too was it being drug related, but you never know. Could be something way out of the park.
Thing is there could be a whole lot of reasons for what happened here. The thing is this guy was prepared and fought back, and it saved his life by the skin of his teeth it would seem.
Just another good example of why one needs to be packing. Even if you are not alone.
Thanks for posting that. Let us know if more information comes out about it.
Yes, first thing I thought too was it being drug related, but you never know. Could be something way out of the park.
Thing is there could be a whole lot of reasons for what happened here. The thing is this guy was prepared and fought back, and it saved his life by the skin of his teeth it would seem.
Just another good example of why one needs to be packing. Even if you are not alone.
Thanks for posting that. Let us know if more information comes out about it.
I used to go ride bikes in the area. both mountain bikes and enduros. LOTS of nothing but trees up there. Lots of people who hunt and semi live off the land up there. if this was a local who had taken a shine to some paper or lumber companies acreage and was pissed that someone was now cutting "their" woods, that might do it. Maybe there was a lab or a patch up there. Maybe they needed to get him out of there while they moved it. maybe they were just urban tree huggers, and it was daddies Subaru.
THis was for years a pretty empty place to go play in. Being Wisconsin, there is no CCW but open carry is a constutionally protected right. Wisconsin once you get away from Milwaukee and madison, are about as right wing as any place in the country. Very strong Catholic and Lutheran presences out in the rural areas. and McDonalds often sell beer. Well not quite, but as gas stations in wisc can have a liquor license and may mcdonalds are the combo variety with a station store and a Macs sharing a building, buying abeer at the store and drinking it with your big mac is fairly common.
My favorite town in wisc used to be Angelica. One lutheran church, one lumber store, two gas stations, and 7 bars, nothing else. now the state Hway moved about a mile east and the town is dying .
THis was for years a pretty empty place to go play in. Being Wisconsin, there is no CCW but open carry is a constutionally protected right. Wisconsin once you get away from Milwaukee and madison, are about as right wing as any place in the country. Very strong Catholic and Lutheran presences out in the rural areas. and McDonalds often sell beer. Well not quite, but as gas stations in wisc can have a liquor license and may mcdonalds are the combo variety with a station store and a Macs sharing a building, buying abeer at the store and drinking it with your big mac is fairly common.
My favorite town in wisc used to be Angelica. One lutheran church, one lumber store, two gas stations, and 7 bars, nothing else. now the state Hway moved about a mile east and the town is dying .
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