Anyone carry a high capacity pistol not fully loaded?

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Was chatting with a friend of mine. One of the +'s of a plastic pistol is reduced weight.

"But it's not that much lighter."
"Sure it is, this Glock/M&P/XD is holding twice as many rounds as that .45."

So I usually like to carry a 1911 with 8 rounds plus an 8-10 round mag. Otherwise i carry a Glock 23 with 14 and an extra mag.

But If I wanted to cut some weight off my belt for a day or two. Why not just fill the Glock 23 with 8 rounds? It'll still be as effective as my 1911.
 
Why not just fill the Glock 23 with 8 rounds? It'll still be as effective as my 1911.

Because it's silly to give up capacity for no good reason.

Besides, is your 1911 a .40? Or a .45 ?

If you can't handle the weight of six more frickin' rounds of .40, hit the gym!
 
I think that depends on how you normally train as we "fight like we train".

If you normally practice with hi-capacity magazines and run shooting drills with multiple bursts into your target(s) before you reassess your situation/surroundings for additional threat(s), you may easily deplete your 8 rounds and end up with an empty weapon too light to be used as a rock if there is no spare magazine.

Here in California, we have been restricted to 10 rounds (although, a lot of pre-ban hi-cap magazines do exist) and many of us have revised our training practice to make best use of the reduced round count. I for one believe in the notion that you use lethal force when absolutely necessary, but once you start using lethal force, you do not stop using it unless you are absolutely clear the immediate threat to your life is gone (dead/not moving) or your magazine is empty, whichever comes first - for obvious legal reasons. With the 10 round magazine limit, use of spare magazine(s) is a must for us (and for additional reasons mentioned below). My "legally correct" defensive use of my firearm drill goes like this - Shoot until empty. So when I am asked, "Sir, why did you shoot the attacker 10 times?" I can answer by saying, "Sir, because I only had 10 rounds in the magazine. As I was reaching for my spare magazine to reload, in my state of fear-for-my-life, I saw that the attacker was no longer making threatening motion. So after I finished reloading my pistol, I called 911."

Do not believe what you see in the movies. one or two bullets out of any short barrel pistol into center-of-mass WILL NOT drop a decent sized attacker determined to kill you/harm you like you see in the movie scenes. Your attacker WILL not die the second the bullets hit unless those projectiles cause fatal head injuries.

I for one recommend you carry the maximum capacity your magazine will allow and carry at least one more spare, just in case there is:
- More than one attacker threating your life determined to attack you after seeing his/her partner get shot
- Your shots "somehow" missed all vital/critical organs and the attacker is still a threat to your life
- The attacker was wearing body armor/recovered and still a threat to your life (and you regroup and shoot the hip/pelvis area with follow-up head shot)
- Your pistol experiences malfunction that requires removal of magazine (it is faster/better to do a tactical reload than reinsert the potentially malfunctioning magazine)

These are just a few reasons. :D
 
You take a Glock 17 utilizing a 17, 19 or 33 rd magazine. Lessening a rd or two is not a big deal. Now, on single-stacks that have 10 or less rd capacity, like on most 1911's; not a good idea.
 
There is no such thing as a "high capacity magazine". It is a legislated term and has no meaning (like a lot of politics).

You have your "magazine", which is designed by the inventor for the weapon. This can have a capacity of 5, up to 100.

You have your "ban mags", which are legislatively restricted to a "safe" 10 rounds, no matter the capacity originally designed, and sold in the ban states.
 
Only new high capacity magazines manufactured after the ban date are banned in California. If you already own higher-than-10 round magazines before the ban, it is legal to possess and use. If you use 10+ capacity mags, you need to explain how you obtained them before the ban date (I got mine from friends/gun shows and did not get/keep sales receipts).

Of course, if you are in possession of 10+ capacity magazines for pistols manufactured after the ban (like M&P/FN), then you are in deep doo doo.
 
230 grains = 0.525 ounces

Casings, primers, and powder not included ... but you're talking about roughly a half-ounce per round in the heaviest duty autoloader cartridge.
So, no, I don't think you're going to see a real weight benefit to packing less ammo.

Maybe you need a better belt?
 
Yea I carry 10 rd mags when I go to Denver because folks there can't be trusted with 5-7 more rds without a reload.
In the rest of the world the more rds I can carry in the gun the better.
 
But If I wanted to cut some weight off my belt for a day or two. Why not just fill the Glock 23 with 8 rounds? It'll still be as effective as my 1911.
Because you may need a ninth round and wouldn't you feel foolish then?
 
re-read post #2, if the weight of a full magazine is too much for your belt to handle, get a better belt.
 
My FNP45 holds 15+1 rounds.

Of .45ACP. :neener:

But seriously... who would carry a half-dry magazine in a defensive firearm? That's like going on a roadtrip with a third of a tank of gas.
 
So we all agree, a full mag is a happy mag. Even if it is way overkill for the day.

I believe my Buds point was more of a comfort issue. And an interesting point that a good sized Glock with allmost the same firepower as my 1911 only weighs 29oz. That's about the weight of a much smaller pistol.

So I got the scale out for the sake of curiosity:
Glock23- 22oz.
w/full mag+1- 32
w/8rounds- 29

Kimber CDP 5"- 30.3
w/fullmag+1- 38.7
(note that the K is missing seriesII parts)

Dan Wesson Valor SS 5"- 37.1
w/full mag+1- 45.5
 
For 15 round 9mm magazine

Unless you upgrade your magazine springs, you loose tension after a while.
I have found no reason to have a max loaded mag for a daily carry.
 
I do under load by 1 in the mag I carry, I like to be able to seat the mag easy even if it is unloaded.
 
I keep all my mags fully loaded, and my carry pistol with one in the chamber. If I need to use it, I want to have access to as many rounds as I can reasonably carry. For me that means either 14+1 and an extra 14rd mag, or 7+1 with an extra 10rd mag if I'm carrying the 1911.
 
I've noticed that as well.

I often carry a Glock22 mag as a reload for my G23. But I load it -1, at 14 rounds. That way tactical reloads are easier and more reliable.
 
Underloading by 1 or 2 in a double stack mag does make it much easier to seat.

FWIW, a complete .38 special round is about 230 grains. So if you figure for rough estimate 2 rounds to the ounce you won't be far off.
 
I often carry a Glock22 mag as a reload for my G23. But I load it -1, at 14 rounds. That way tactical reloads are easier and more reliable.
Yes its really that simple, same goes for rifles. Keep a big stick in the car for the Glock just in case.
 
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