Anyone else tired of caliber debates?

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I am just wondering if anyone else is tired of caliber debates? 9mm vs. .45, .45 acp vs. .45 gap, etc. I am a firm believer in shot placement and don't think anyone, hit where it counts, will be arguing that he wasn't hit with something harder. That said, I don't feel undergunned carrying smaller caliber handguns when that is all that my attire will allow. I just practice regularly with what I carry. I also believe that confidence and competence in few pistols/revolvers is better than incompetence with a multitude of handguns taking up space in a safe. Anyone else feel this way or have similar pet peeves? I guarantee there are others so post your thoughts here.

kev
 
I get a headache at some of the junk science available on the internet :banghead:


Shot Placement(multiple shots) is more important than caliber

Penetration and expansion are key...well designed bullets do both.

If you want to use something smaller than 9mm/.38spcl you should understand the limitations.

One Shot stops may actually occur, but it is rare and not to be expected.

People generally succumb to blood loss...which means lots of deep wide holes
 
I don't make it a point to complain much, but the fact of the matter is if people would just learn to use the search button and not just post the first x vs. y question that comes to mind, we'd probably see a lot less "forum fodder" posts.

After almost 2 years of being around here, I'd have a lot more posts beside my name if I took the time to regurgitate the same old arguments I have for why I like the calibres I like everytime someone asks.

I wonder if people are just too lazy to do their own research these days?


SC
 
It seems that "stopping power" has the most missinformation and creates the most debate. It's the most esoteric and difficult to pin down. Same reasons politics and religion create a lot of debate I guess. There's no solid way to "prove" your point of view with stopping power.

We could start a new debate trend. How about DA vs SA? But that would probably belong under Stratagies and Tactics . . . Hmm, what else can side track us from the inevitable caliber wars? Gun material, holster material, finish, action, caliber. . . they've all been done to death and are much less subjective.

How about sights? It seems there are every kind of sight available you can imagine and everyone seems to react differantly to them and have their own preferences. That might be a spirited thread or two :)
 
I'm tired of the debates too because the winner(s) has/have been proclaimed long ago: And it's a tie between Shot Placement, Round Adequacy, and Shooting Until the Threat is Over.
 
With the tone of the threads so far, it would almost seem appropriate to put a moratorium on caliber debates. However, in the spirit of this discussion board, that would prove contradictory. Keep them coming boys.
 
I've heard very competent people argue that if you get 9mm x19, quality 38 SPL and above in handguns, most of the variance is hitting the target.

That's enough for me. Get a good gun and round in a caliber from this set and learn to shoot it competently.
 
I am just wondering if anyone else is tired of caliber debates?

There is a debate? I thought it was settled that 45 ACP was top dog and it was downhill from there!
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Seriously, those threads are for the forum newbies. When I first found gun related forums I read those threads all the time. Now I skip them or scan them for interesting links.

If you don't like them don't read them.
 

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The single most important requirement for defensive handgun ammunition is penetration. Without penetration, no bullet will do enough damage to stop an attacker. There are two camps; slow and heavy vs. fast and light (usually of the expanding variety), with compelling arguments on both sides.

Jeff Cooper used to say "Do not put your faith in expanding bullets". He was of the opinion that introducing another variable into the equation was unwise, and advocated .45 acp hardball for all your self defense requirements. There has been significant progress made in the design of hollowpoint bullets over the years, so his observation may not be as true as it once was.

However, the requirement that a bullet penetrate deeply enough to damage or destroy vital organs has not changed. The bullet must have mass and velocity sufficient overcome outer clothing, skin, flesh, fat, and possibly bone. Any 'major' caliber (9mm, 38, .357, .40, .41, .44 mag, 45acp, etc.,) will meet this criteria.

The next most important element is shot placement. It may do no good to hit an armed attacker in a non-vital area, even with a .44mag. So the next most important consideration relies on the shooter rather than on the bullet. Having a firearm with a capable round is only half the equation. Without the skill and mindset to use it, you're not prepared to defend yourself. Half measures availed us nothing. You need to be willing and able to place two shots in quick succession in an area no larger than your fist, under pressure in low light. That requires familiarity with your weapon and a lot of careful practice.
 
Not really!! So long as the arguments are sound.. it is when dribblers get wet that we start having the problems.. :uhoh:

some are a little hackneyed however like the 9mm vs. .45 debate.. :(

how about .50 AE vs. .454 Casull???????? :evil:
 
Its very simple...shoot until the threat is neutralized, regardless of caliber.

+1

I prefer 9mm mainly due to cost. I can afford to practice 2 tp 3 times more then with larger (more expensive) calibers.

remember hand guns are defensive. Use them to fight your way to a long gun!

Now start a new caliber war, 5.56 vs 7.62!
 
They all sound the same to me:

"BLAH BLAH 9mm BLAH BLAH BLAH"

"Oh, yeah? Well, 45ACP BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH."

Kinda like Charlie Brown's teacher.

:neener:
 
1. Any gun is better than no gun
2. Carry the biggest gun you can comfortably conceal based on what you are wearing at the time.
3. Carry the biggest gun that you can shoot accuratly.


Ballistics:

Poke a hole. Poke a hole as deep as you can. Poke the biggest hole you can. Poke the hole in an important place.

There are times I carry a Seecamp .32. Its not what I want to get into a gunfight with, but, based on what I'm wearing and what I'm doing, its the biggest gun I can carry at the time.

There are times I carry a Glock 35. Its not what I want to get into a gunfight with, but, I prefer it to the Seecamp.
 
My favorite is... "You say a .32ACP is weak but I don't see you volunteering to be shot with one." :rolleyes:

Give me a .45ACP :evil:
 
i am never tired of caliber debates because there is always someone out there who is new to the debate. We were all new at one time, these caliber debates are a good way to get a newb aquainted to their favorite cailber :)
 
gun/caliber/ammunition/DAvsSAvsDAO dabates.all good.

I like 'um..Not gonna change my mind about my choices though.

Just about anything that I can think of regarding sidearms involves some kind of trade-off. Its intestering to see what others are 'trading off' and what they are getting in return.

Now if wildinalaska can get his belchfireloudenboomerleveraction88magnum to fit in a front pocket, that might change my mind.

salty.
 
With the tone of the threads so far, it would almost seem appropriate to put a moratorium on caliber debates.
:scrutiny:
Regardless of a thread's subject matter it is within everyone's ability to skip to one of interest to them.

Suggesting a moratorium on this subject or any other for the reason stated is absurd! :what:



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Was tired of the "X" vs/ "Y" arguments a LONG time ago. Even worse is the same one's kep coming up. Why can't people use the "seach" feature!? :banghead:
 
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