Anyone have a Bersa BP9 CC? That or the LC9s?

[Orion8472]

I was contemplating a new carry gun and thought the Bersa BP9 CC felt VERY nice in the hand and had an incredible trigger. Having said that, if I had one, I'd have to "Israeli carry" it due to the way the trigger is [unless I found an adequately good kydex type holster for it.

Light trigger pull, VERY short reset, . . . seems like more of a target gun trigger, . . . . and even IF I didn't get one for conceal carry, I think it would make a fun range gun.

My other option for new carry gun is the LC9s that I currently have on layaway [and if I got a BP9, I'd cancel that layaway]. This gun would be more concealable since the Bersa is a fairly "tall" gun [for CC use], but know that the Bersa would be easier to shoot and would have less felt recoil. To me, that is an important factor for a carry gun if you needed "followup shots".

Opinions?

 

[NOMI WASP]

I'd say the LC9 just because you used the words (Isreali Carry) I would never consider carrying anything that wasn't loaded with one in the chamber. When I was new to CCW I carried like that but after seeing how little time you have in a SD situation, I believe it's folly to believe it's effective.

Don't blast me for giving another option but you may look at the Taurus PT 709, I carry it a lot in summer months and have been happy with it. They are usually very cheap.

There's also the Millinemum Models that are a little bigger with more rounds. Either way congrats on getting a new toy, I know thats always exciting!

 

[Orion8472]

Thanks for the input and advice.

 

[Fiv3r]

I handled the BP9 and loved it, but you're right it's got a really short and light feeling trigger for something that is supposed to get put into a nook or cranny. Kydex is certainly the way I would go.

 

[ku4hx]

My wife bought an LC9 a few months back and just last week I bought an LC9s. We like them both and my wife is considering an "s" version for her next gun. Thing is, the LC9's trigger is so smooth it's not that far in feel from the striker version.

I just ordered five additional magazines. We had four already, but these two guns are fast becoming favorites. Assuming it continues to run without problems, once my holster gets here the LC9s will be my every day carry.

 

[Fishbed77]

Of those two choices, I'd pick the Kahr CM9/PM9.

Not trying to sound like a jerk - this is just based on your concerns about the trigger mentioned in the OP.

The Kahr has a long smooth DAO trigger that allows for accurate shooting and safe carry with no need for a manual safety. The Kahr is also definitely softer-shooting than the Ruger LC9 (at least the original hammer-fired variant) in my personal experience.

I also have to respectfully disagree with ku4hx's evaluation of the hammer-fired LC9 trigger. I do not find it to be smooth at all. I find it to be very inconsistent in feel, and awkwardly hinged. I admit I have no experience to date with the trigger of the new LC9s.

 

[Orion8472]

The trigger on the LC9s is actually quite remarkable. That from the one I put in layaway.

I had a Kahr once. Couldn't get the handle on the trigger. I prefer a crisper trigger.

I wonder if a chambered Bersa BP9cc would be just as safe as any other gun if you followed the strict "finger off trigger until you have your sights on target" rule? I've not heard any stories of them firing without being touched, so maybe I wouldn't do any "Israeli carry" afterall.

 

[Orion8472]

I cancelled the layaway on the LC9s. I have issues with my thumb's knuckle bone hitting the slide release [the way I naturally position my thumbs on any gun] and causing the slide to not hold open after the last round. The LC9s hits there. So does the Taurus 709 and the Walther PPS. The one that doesn't is the Kahr [but I don't like the trigger on them] and the Bersa BP9cc. It doesn't h it on the Kimber Solo, but that is a LOT of money that I'm not really wanting to spend.

I'll have to see what happens I guess. Maybe the Remington R-51 will be released with reliability soon and I can try one of them out.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

I found the Bersa BP9CC to be pretty easy to conceal. It's not really all that tall; the grip is maybe a smidge longer than the LC9 but it can't be much longer. Mine was the two tone with a black frame and nickle slide.

The trigger of the BP9CC is indeed very light! Kind of freaked me out at first. The pull is somewhat longish but the pull is light and the break is very clean. The reset is fairly short IMO.

The gun is pretty easy to shoot fast. Mine shot a little high, but different ammo might help. It takes Glock and Sig sights so you could get different height sights if you needed to. I'm used to a cover hold so maybe it would be a little different for you.

I put about 1000 rounds through mine while I had it, and I had no issues or malfunctions with it. My sister did have a few issues with "limp-wristing" the first time I let her shoot it. Mostly this is due to her limited experience with handgun shooting. Once I instructed her a bit on how to hold the gun it ran fine for her. She liked it enough that she wanted to buy it from me, and since I preferred my Beretta Nano by a slim margin I let her have the Bersa. But I would have no issue carrying the BP9CC if I didn't have the Nano, too.

When I CCW'd it for a while I carried in a Theis horsehide/kydex hybrid. I think there are some good full kydex rigs out there for it as well. Good trigger protection is a must for any sidearm and doubly so for a gun like this (no manual safety and a relatively light trigger).

The only complaint I had with the gun is that mags are somewhat expensive at $48 or so, and there seem to be no aftermarket mags, just factory.

Personally I liked the Nano a little better. The Nano has a slightly heavier trigger but subjectively it's as crisp as the Bersa. The main thing I liked about the Nano is that with the 6 round mag it's a little shorter and easier to conceal than the BP9CC. With the 8 round extended mag they're virtually the same size. Normally I run with the 8 round mag and one in the chamber for a total of 9 rounds, but if I'm in a situation where I can't afford to print at all I carry the gun 6+1 with the 8 rounder as a spare.

 

[CNobbe]

I'd second the Kahr CM9. I have a PM9 from long before they released the wallet friendly CM9 version but the differences aren't worth the extra coin for the PM.

With practice they are very accurate shooters, and very handy for pocket carry. I still have a CW380 for the hot summer days that's an incredibly soft shooting little 380. No way I'd take an LCP over it.

My second choice would be the BP9 CC... Really nice shooting gun, though I think it had a mag disconnect safety. All in all a nice gun though.

The Walther CCP should be out soon, might be on the larger side but with a Walther you will get a very nice trigger.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

If you are considering the larger BP9CC, the you might as well get an M&P Shield for the same price! The BP9CC has a trigger made for the range, not for carry. The Shield has a well established track record and I shot the Shield better, however the LC9s carries better and feels better in the hand. Heck they are all about $350 now so it is a hard decision.

 

[Orion8472]

Nick, I may consider one. Don't really like the hinged trigger of the Shield, but I'm getting to the point where I'm getting stuck on what I can carry.

 

[Fishbed77]

The Walther CCP should be out soon, might be on the larger side but with a Walther you will get a very nice trigger.

Two strikes against the CCP in my eyes are the fact that it has a manual safety, and that it is made by Umarex, not Walther.

 

[taraquian]

I have only sold one gun ever, and it was a Bersa BP9. It felt great in my hand at the store. It never had a FTF or FTE. The trigger was smooth, albeit short. Its overall a great gun... but I think I only hit the target twice out of the 300 rounds I put through that gun.

 

[Saleen322]

I have a LC9. I found it surprisingly accurate for its size. I was doing some chronograph testing with the LC9 compared to a 5" pistol to see velocity changes with different powders. Anyway I was shooting off a sandbag at a 25 yard target to keep the bullets going through the sensors on the same line and that little LC9 shot a 3.25" 5-shot group @ 25 yards with the one load. I was pleasantly surprised.

As far as triggers, the LC9s does have a little better trigger than the LC9 IMO. However shooting a lot of pistols with good triggers, the difference to me is like two midgets arguing about who is taller. Neither are in the good trigger class (nor is the Bersa for that matter) as this is a carry gun built with safety in mind even under rough handling conditions. The LC9 is built Ruger tough and now you can get a new one for 299 on sale so for a compact pistol, that is decent deal. YMMV

 

[Phaedrus/69]

Today I fondled a LC9s for the first time- wow! The trigger is superb IMOHO. Not quite as good as the HK VP9 or Walther PPQ, slightly better than my Beretta Nano and vastly better than a Glock. I have to say I'm not crazy about the safety on it; it's too small, the throw is to short and it doesn't have a very positive detent. It looks like it would dicey to swipe it if carried on SAFE and somewhat prone to being accidentally set to SAFE when you want to fire. Probably some trigger time would alleviate the potential issues. With luck maybe they're make a safety-free version down the road. BTW, I load mag disconnects, too.

I haven't gotten a chance to actually fire the LC9s but if it shoots half as well as it feels I think I'd maybe rather have it than the BP9CC. Mostly I just like the trigger better. It's not quite as light as the Bersa but it's shorter, crisper and with a little better reset. In practical terms it's more sculpted as less blocky/slab-sided than the BP9CC, too. Feels like it would conceal a smidge better. And I'm sure there are cheaper mags for it.

 

[Orion8472]

I may have to reconsider the LC9s, but not sure what to do about the issue with my thumb knuckle bone potentially making it to where the slide won't hold open on the last round.

I'd also like to try one out to see if I'd even like the recoil. It isn't that I couldn't handle it, but a harsh snappiness may keep me from wanting to take it to the range.

 

[snooperman]

I would also prefer the LC9s over the BP9 as a carry gun , because of the trigger.

 

[Orion8472]

I must ask [and I wonder] how much more perceived recoil the LC9s would have over the S&W Shield 9mm? Has anyone done a comparison, or know this first hand?

 

[bannockburn]

Orion8472

You might want to check out a PM9/CM9 again as I had one years ago and the trigger on it was way too long and uneven. Tried a CM9, along with a Beretta Nano, a couple of years ago and found the CM9's trigger to be a great deal smoother than on the one I had previously. Ended up getting the CM9 as I felt it had better ergonomics along with a better trigger than the Nano.

 

[Orion8472]

I had a CM-9 at one time and couldn't get used to the long DAO trigger. I prefer a defined [and relatively short] takeup and break.

Right now, all I have for carry is an old F.I. Industries Model D 380acp that every once in a while will give me a stovepipe. If it didn't do that, I think I'd be fine with just carrying it, even though some say their limit is 9mm. Not wanting to get into that debate here. though.

 

[snooperman]

I have shot my Grand son's Shield and my brother-in-law's LC9 and to me the Shield has a better grip and less felt recoil than the LC9.

 

[Orion8472]

snooperman, was it noticeable? Quite a bit more? Just somewhat more?

Thanks for your input.