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Can someone tell me what the deal is with BJ's Guns on Central Avenue in Colonie?

I was going to stop in there on Saturday (I was in the area for the Gun show at the Convention Center downtown) and they were closed for inventory. It was a good thing for them, since I saw a sign on the door that said:

"ID is required to enter the store. Your ID will be held until you leave. NO EXCEPTIONS."

What the heck is this all about? Even in out-of-control Nassau County, they don't partake in these shenanigans.

MJ
 
mjustice, B&J's got broken into a few weeks ago. a bunch of teenage punks smashed the front window in and grabbed a whole bunch of pistols. Fortunately, a snowplow operator saw them in the act and called 911. Cops busted their sorry asses in no time flat. Thing is, the owner of B&J's has been busted into previously when it was located on Central avenue, and I remember him sayin' that if it happened again he might just not reopen. Startin' to look like he meant it.:uhoh:
 
While I am sorry to hear that he his store was broken into, that's no excuse for demanding (and retaining) ID for prospective customers. If he does not want to be "in the business", then he can turn in his dealer license and find some other line of work. Treating customers like crooks without cause is an easy way to limit your sales.

Could you recommend another dealer for me to patronize next time I am in the Capital Reigon?

MJ

[edit: changed "criminals" to "customers"]
 
mjustice, I have never been asked for ID nor was ID ever taken from me on any occasion while shopping at B & J's. Heck, I don't ever recall seeing any such sign so this may be a future new policy. B & J's has had that "Closed for Inventory" sign up since the day of the break-in and to the best of my knowledge they have not reopened since. :(

I can recommend one other shop to you. It is smaller, with less variety, but they have fair prices and fairly good customer service.:rolleyes:

The Pistol Parlor at 390 Columbia Turnpike in Rensselaer. Tel number (518) 477-8113. The Pistol Parlor
 
The sign on B&Js was there Saturday afternoon (right next to the handwritten closed for inventory sign), and a friend who was with me also saw it. This sign was clearly prepared on a computer.

Thanks for the referral to the pistol parlor. I'll be sure to stop by next time I am in the area.

MJ
 
looks like there's more to this story than meets the eye

BATF Investigation of B & J's Shooting Supply

Store's firearms dealings studied

Colonie -- Lawsuit filed in dispute between owners has federal agents looking at whether weapons were sold illegally

By BRENDAN LYONS, Staff writer
First published: Wednesday, January 29, 2003

Federal agents are investigating whether firearms were sold illegally at a Central Avenue gun shop that closed last month amid a bitter dispute between the store's feuding partners, according to law enforcement officials.

The store, B & J Guns at 1814 Central Ave., has been a hotbed of police activity over the past 17 months, as burglars targeting handguns have struck the store twice. Also, several weeks ago, Colonie officers were called to the store to break up an argument between Brian Olesen II and James B. Frampton, both of Colonie, who opened the business as partners in June 2001.

"We are intimately familiar with the allegations that both Mr. Olesen and Mr. Frampton have made, but I'm not in a position to comment any further," said John Morgan, resident agent in charge of the Albany office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

But Colonie police officials said the ATF investigating how guns and other firearms products were sold at the store.

In a lawsuit filed recently by Olesen, he accuses Frampton of looting the store for personal use and selling firearms illegally. The accusations are not detailed in the court papers.

Mark Couch, Frampton's attorney, described his client as a longtime, upstanding gun dealer.

"He (Frampton) disputes each and every one of those allegations, and he's going to file court papers when it's his turn and deny them all," Couch said Tuesday. "I think this is going to be resolved very shortly and these guys are going to resolve their business dispute. They were shaking hands this morning."

Part of the dispute centers on whether the store's security system was adequate to protect it from break-ins, according to Olesen's lawsuit.

But the crux of his lawsuit is that the pair disagreed on how the store should be managed and procedures for selling firearms.

"Frampton has willfully and maliciously misappropriated and converted corporate money for his personal use in that he has sold and transferred firearms to members of the public without properly recording and reporting the transaction," Olesen's lawsuit states.

William Keniry, Olesen's attorney, said his client stands by his claims.

"They are all working with an eye toward working together and resolving problems rather than creating problems. It's our hope and expectation that it should be resolved shortly," Keniry said. "As far as Mr. Olesen is concerned, he stands by all of his statements and claims."

Olesen is seeking $200,000 that he claims Frampton earned from selling the store's firearms and other products without his knowledge. He also is seeking $500,000 in punitive damages.

The store, which is just east of Route 155, has been closed for several weeks while the court case is unfolding. The store is scheduled to reopen from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Friday and Saturday, the attorneys said.

There still is a piece of plywood screwed into a large hole in a front window where several burglars smashed their way into the business on Dec. 29 and stole 22 handguns. Four suspects from Albany, ranging in age from 16 to 19, were caught moments after the burglary.

It was the second time in less than two years bandits have targeted the store.

In August 2001, 35 handguns were taken during a break-in. Those guns, taken in a similar smash-and-grab burglary, still have not been recovered and authorities said they believe some have been used in New York City crimes.

Town police said the burglaries were not connected to the ongoing dispute between the owners.

The store has been one of the region's most popular gun shops for hundreds of hunters, law enforcement officers and others.
 
Update.

B & J's Guns Investigation

Schodack man tied to gun probe

Albany-- Suspect accused of altering weapons, making silencers in home

By BRENDAN LYONS, Staff writer
First published: Thursday, September 18, 2003

A restaurant owner from Schodack has been charged with making illegal gun silencers and altering assault rifles and other weapons in an elaborate underground shop that federal agents said he operated in the basement of his home.
Authorities raided the Angelo Avenue home of 53-year-old Michael D. Scarnato in January. The raid came as authorities followed up leads on a related investigation into whether firearms were sold illegally at a former Central Avenue gun shop, according to federal court records.

On Wednesday afternoon, Scarnato was arraigned on several felony weapons counts in U.S. District Court in Albany. He was arrested Tuesday by federal agents and spent the night in Albany County jail.

Magistrate Judge Randolph F. Treece released Scarnato on his own recognizance and set a preliminary hearing for Oct. 2.

The weapons investigation began last year when Brian Olesen II and Peter B. Frampton, who were co-owners of the former B & J Guns in Colonie, began accusing one another of criminal activity during a bitter breakup of their business partnership. The business was located at 1814 Central Ave. but has since closed and the dispute resolved, their attorneys said.

But federal authorities said their investigation of gun sales at the once-popular store is just heating up.

In December, ATF agents interviewed Frampton and he allegedly told them that a month earlier at his store he saw an illegal, .22-caliber silencer sitting on a desk. Frampton claimed Scarnato made the silencer and sold it to Olesen for $350.

Gun silencers are illegal to possess, manufacture or transport, authorities said.

In an affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Albany, ATF Agent Angelo Vara said Frampton described Scarnato, who owns a restaurant on Scott Avenue in Schodack, as someone the gun-store owners had dealt with regularly.

"Frampton identified Scarnato as an individual who often performed gunsmith work for B & J's," Vara said. "Frampton stated that Scarnato told him that he had previously sold a firearm silencer to Olesen for $350 ... (and) also offered Frampton a silencer for $300."

Gun silencers like those allegedly made by Scarnato are illegal to possess or sell and federal agents are trying to track down how many he may have made and where they ended up, according to federal officials involved in the investigation.

But the investigation is not limited to silencers.

Court records show an altered Bushmaster assault rifle also was seen on display at B & J Guns last year when federal agents visited the business. Frampton allegedly told agents that the gun's barrel had been altered by Scarnato.

"You can't take an otherwise legal assault rifle and alter it so that it has certain features on it that would make it illegal," said John Morgan, resident-agent-in-charge of the Albany ATF office. "The investigation remains ongoing and the U.S. attorney's office will be considering additional charges for any person that's culpable."

Olesen and Scarnato did not return telephone calls seeking comment. Frampton could not be reached for comment.

Before B & J Guns closed its doors in December, it had been a hotbed of police activity for nearly two years. Burglars targeting handguns struck the store twice and town police were called to the store once to break up an argument between Olesen and Frampton, both residents of Colonie.

Olesen filed a lawsuit against Frampton last year accusing him of looting the store for personal use and selling firearms illegally.

The store was one of the region's most popular gun shops for hundreds of hunters, law enforcement officers and others.
 
Thanks for the update. Clearly there is more to this story, even though the reporter got a few things wrong.

Firearm suppressors (there's no such thing as a silencer) are not illegal to possess. Most states do allow possession, but New York doesn't. They are NFA regulated, and that is probably why the ATF came down on this restaurant owner - making them without the proper license is a "crime". Same thing with the so-called assault weapons.

MJ
 
B&j is closed.....I've heard lots of reasons why....along w/ the above.There's also Accurate Arms and Ammo is Schenectady...on Central Ave...2123 is the address,about 7 miles from Colonie Center.
A mile from Crossgates there is now J&J Guns and Ammo,at Cosmo's plaza.one of the guys from B&J opened it a week ago.They don't have alot of guns yet,but they look promising.I know one of the guys there,and I trust that he had nothing to do w/ the whole ATF thing.
Pistol Parlor is good as well,I go there alot because it's about 4 miles from my house.
BTW let's get a Capital ragion shoot going........:cool:
 
Wow, reading this thread brings back memories. My inlaws used to live in that area about 5 to15 years back and I frequented a lot of the areas mentioned. But back then I was into the R/C airplane hobby and had to hit all the hobby shops.
 
Update

FYI, Brian from the now defunct B&J Shooting Supply has reopened as B&J Guns at 1702 Central Avenue in Albany.

Times Union

Man gets prison in weapons case

Defense had asked for leniency for Schodack restauranteur who made silencers

By BRENDAN LYONS, Staff writer
First published: Friday, July 23, 2004

A Schodack restaurant owner was sentenced to two years in federal prison Thursday for making gun silencers in the basement of his Castleton home.

Michael D. Scarnato, 53, of Angelo Drive was indicted last year on weapons-related charges following an investigation by federal agents that initially centered on whether firearms were sold illegally at a former Central Avenue gun shop in Colonie.

During the investigation, agents with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives raided Scarnato's home and found gun parts and gun-making equipment. He was arrested on Sept. 16 and charged with unlawful possession of a silencer.

Scarnato's lawyer, E. Stewart Jones of Troy, asked U.S. District Judge Lawrence E. Kahn for leniency for his client, citing his strong standing in the community, clean criminal history and close-knit family. A small group of Scarnato's supporters, including his wife, who cried through much of the proceeding, sat behind him in the courtroom.

"This (silencer) possession was clearly a hobby, and there was no criminal intent," Jones said, urging Kahn to see past federal sentencing guidelines and "look at the person himself."

Scarnato had faced a maximum prison term of 10 years, but under federal sentencing guidelines, which take into account a defendant's criminal history and acceptance of responsibility, the restaurateur was facing between 21 and 24 months, authorities said.

Assistant U.S. Attorney David Grable urged Kahn to give Scarnato 24 months, noting that silencers are illegal to possess without a permit for good reason.

"On paper, you look at this case and say it's not a really serious case," Grable told the judge. "But silencers can do very bad things when put in the hands of very bad people."

Scarnato declined to say anything before Kahn handed down the sentence, which includes three years on federal probation and a $10,000 fine. He ordered Scarnato to check in with U.S. Marshals before reporting to federal prison on Sept. 7.

"This case sends a clear and convincing message that anyone who decides to manufacture a silencer had better think twice," said John Morgan, agent-in-charge of the Albany ATF office.

Scarnato owns and operates Scarnato's Restaurant on Scott Avenue in Schodack.

The weapons investigation began about two years ago when Brian Olesen II and James Frampton, who were co-owners of the former B&J Guns in Colonie, accused one another of criminal activity during a bitter breakup of their business partnership. The business at 1814 Central Ave. has since closed, and the dispute has been resolved, their attorneys said.

Frampton allegedly told ATF agents that he saw an illegal .22-caliber silencer on a desk in his office at the former gun store. Frampton claimed Scarnato made the silencer and sold it to Olesen for $350.

Gun silencers are illegal to possess, manufacture or transport without a permit.

ATF agents said Frampton described Scarnato as someone the gun store owners had dealt with regularly
 
There are WAY better gun shops in the Albany area.......w/out getting into a big thing,let's just say I wouldn't buy a single bullet at B and J...:mad:
Accurate arms is great,J and J (used to be the J in B and J)is good,and Taylor and Vadney is great too.......I'll stick to these guys before I'd go back to B and J.......just my expierence...
 
Variety is good. The more gun shops, the better. Too bad the Pistol Parlor closed it's doors. That was a good shop too.
 
Yeah I miss the Pistol Parlor....it was always my 1st stop on payday:D
When the old guy who owned it passed away,his daughter ran it...inot the ground that is.....a buddy I shoot with was the manager but quit because of the way things were run....I did buy some great ammo at 50% at their closeing sale though...:cool:
I recently disdcovered Taylor and Vadney is Schenectady..I bought a Speed six there......I traded my Taurus pt99 and he gave me the $200 I was aking for it....b and j were offering $80 for it:banghead:
people have a right to make money but not if they're screwing other people.It's a shame because b and j have a ton of guns,but I won't go there anymore(I'm sure they're crushed;) )
I also discovered a guy in Nassau who has a little shop at his house.Country Roads guns..great guy and can order stuff if he doesn't have it....he's ordering a Houge grip for me this week and it's about 1/2 the price of anywhere else....I'm wanting to try the one in Valatie too......yeah variety is good.
 
I've had nothing but good luck at B&J's - I purchased a SIG p220 at their old location, and a PM9 (in January)and a Ruger Single Six (couple weeks ago) at Brian's new location. His prices for the guns I was looking at were just better than the other shops I stopped at.

I stopped at Taylor & Vadney's before I purchased the Ruger at B&J's. They had the same gun - but missing the .22 mag cylinder - and $25 more than what I ended up paying at B&J's with both cylinders. Although I like Taylor & Vadney's, they don't have near the selection that B&J's has, IMHO.

Shooter's Highland on Main Street is the one in Valatie. Very good selection and nice and knowledgable folk running the place. You should give them a look. Worth the trip. ;)
 
Hey man different strokes ya know....good to hear b and j did right by someone...yeah I'll be checking out the one in Valatie.......BTW,if you're interested in IDPA PM me......we have a pretty good group of shooters..we shoot on tuesday nights in the summer at Woodlawn R and G club,and sunday nights in the winter at Irocois(sp?).....always good to meet new shooters....I also shoot at Watervliet when ever I get the chance....:cool:
 
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