(NY) "It's like the OK Corral out there"

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This is exactly the opposite of what the judge said to me as an explanation for administrative restrictions on CCW permits issued in Albany county. :rolleyes:

Gun Task Force in Albany County

Albany councilman calls for gun task force
Albany-- Mayor, public safety commissioner oppose proposed regional committee devoted to shootings

By BRENDAN LYONS, Staff writer
First published: Monday, April 7, 2003

Nearly 300 times a year, shots ring out in Albany and a young person is often left bloodied or dead.

Most of the guns are pistols that come from southern states, and they can fetch $500 to $1,200 each on the streets. Many are driven here after being purchased illegally or having been stolen in burglaries at gun shops or homes.

For several years, police officers in Albany have been instructed to be aggressive -- to frisk young men when they can do so legally and to pass along every whisper of a gun to detectives.

Still, "It's like the OK Corral out there," said one detective.

City leaders contend gun violence has remained steady over the past several years and that they are meeting the problem head-on. But at least one Common Council member wants to do more.

Dominick Calsolaro, who represents part of the city's crime-plagued South End, will introduce legislation at tonight's Common Council meeting seeking the establishment of a regional gun violence task force. He contends that an emergency room doctor at Albany Medical Center Hospital recently told a community group that more gunshot victims seem to be coming through their doors.

"I'm hoping that we get this group together," Calsolaro said. "It'll give the police and the community a set meeting time so that once a month both sides can sit down and talk about the issue. ... It's a perception thing. People look at Albany and they think it's unsafe."

He is getting fierce resistance from Public Safety Commissioner John C. Nielsen and Mayor Jerry Jennings, both of whom contend the task force would be redundant because there already is a city task force that deals with youth crime.

"It's not like we've been turning our backs on issues like gun violence. It's a priority and it always has been," Jennings said. "It's not just about guns; it's about drugs, a lack of an education. I already have a mayor's youth group here, a good working task force ... they understand the issues facing our youth. It's important to take away their desire to get involved in guns and gangs."

Nielsen bristles when questioned about Calsolaro's idea. From the window in his home overlooking Washington Park, which has been the scene of several grisly murders over the years, Nielsen can see the spot where a man was shot in the face during a botched robbery two weeks ago.

"I walk that neighborhood every night," Nielsen said. "This is not something that we're blowing off because we don't worry about it. We really are doing all the things that we can."

Last year in Albany, 36 people were shot in 28 separate incidents. Six died. It was a slight increase from 2001, when 24 people were shot in 22 instances, five fatally. Those statistics don't include all reports of shots fired, which topped 275 last year.

On the streets, detectives said finding the guns has become more difficult because young men who are "known shooters" have learned to stash weapons or have their girlfriends hold them in case the police come.

The guns come from a variety of sources, according to agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which traces crime guns for police.

While handguns continue to be the weapon of choice for criminals, a new trend police are seeing is rifles and shotguns, often stolen in burglaries, being sawed off so that they can fit inside a coat or under the seat of a car.

"They're altering the firearms for easy concealability," said Special Agent Joseph Green, a spokesman for the ATF's New York Field Division. "There's only one reason to do that with rifles, so that law enforcement can't detect them."

The trend is partly a result of the tightening of handgun purchasing laws nationwide.

"The ability to traffic in firearms has been diminished," said John Morgan, resident agent-in-charge of the Albany ATF office. "The consequence is that stolen guns, or the necessity to steal firearms, is much more prevalent."

That has been apparent in the Capital Region, especially Colonie, where a smattering of gun shop burglaries have taken place over the past two years.

The most recent was on Dec. 29, when four Albany teenagers were caught moments after they allegedly smashed their way into a Central Avenue gun shop and stole 22 handguns. They told police they intended to sell the weapons on local streets, authorities said.

The same store, B&J Guns, was also targeted in August 2001 when 35 high-priced handguns were taken during a break-in. That case remains unsolved and some of the guns taken in that burglary have turned up in New York City criminal investigations, officials said.

In an effort to send a strong message, local police have teamed with federal authorities in recent years and in some cases gun crimes are being prosecuted federally. The result is that many defendants who committed crimes that normally brought light jail sentences are now facing stiff prison sentences from federal judges.
 
Dominick Calsolaro, who represents part of the city's crime-plagued South End, will introduce legislation at tonight's Common Council meeting seeking the establishment of a regional gun violence task force.

Oh, wow! A task force! That'll sure do a lot to disarm violent criminals!
 
"We're task forced out in this city"

Oh, wow! A task force! That'll sure do a lot to disarm violent criminals!

Yeah, even the mayor thinks it's redundant and pointless. What we've got here is typical Albany politics raising it's ugly head. :banghead:

Eliminating gun violence a fight for all

First published: Tuesday, April 8, 2003

Gun violence is killing our cities.

Whether it's the overactive perception of a criminal gun culture gone amok in our city streets or the actuality of bullets whizzing in some neighborhoods, it's all the same in the end.

Fear, whether justified or not, leads to flight.

Urban gun violence isn't the only reason the middle class is hightailing it out of our cities, but it's a big one.

With that in mind, you'd think Albany city leaders would embrace Councilman Dom Calsolaro's earnest legislation promoting a regional gun violence task force, similar to ones in Rochester and Syracuse.

Civic and church leaders, business folks, ordinary citizens, law enforcement -- the list who might be part of this task force goes around the block. The focus of what they'd be trying to accomplish is rather soft, Calsolaro admits. The councilman says that was deliberate, so that the task force could define its mission and activities in whatever way it chooses.

A resolution requesting that Mayor Jerry Jennings create the task force was debated by the Common Council Monday night. It was tabled at the mayor's request.

Regardless of the debate's eventual outcome, Mayor Jennings says he's disinclined to create another task force.

"We're task forced out in this city," the mayor said, noting there already was a terrorism task force and a broad-based Building Safe Communities task force, the latter dedicated in large measure to exploring the same gun violence issues the Calsolaro task force would address.

Still, it's mystifying that the mayor who normally is acutely aware of the powers of public relations didn't reach out to mollify the councilman and Common Council. That may have more to do with the clash of personalities between the mayor and the councilman than anything else.

In addition, the mayor is perhaps a little put out that the councilman would make it appear that the city has been dragging its heels in trying to quell gun violence. The councilman insists he never intended to imply the city's policing efforts are insufficient.

Perhaps that's not Calsolaro's intention, but his weakest line of argument is that there's a need for better coordination between various federal and local police agencies over guns. He offers no evidence.

That sort of close cooperation between the FBI, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the State Police and DEA is at the heart of police work and already is going full-bore, insist the mayor and Public Safety Commissioner Jack Nielsen. That's what cops do, and they take getting guns off the streets very seriously because cops are on the firing line each day.

So there's no reason why Calsolaro's task force on urban gun violence should be second-guessing cops or playing junior G-men in trying to find illegal weapons.

Having said what they shouldn't concern themselves with, there's still plenty to admire in what Dom Calsolaro wants to do.

Undeniably, urban gun violence is about a lot more than just police work. A systematic attack on guns, drugs and gangs is everybody's business. It's about changing attitudes in neighborhoods and schools, and about mentoring kids and offering solid alternatives to the gun culture; it's about business and community and church leaders getting involved and persuading legal gun owners -- the increasing source of thefts -- to be more diligent about safe storage.

The mayor would argue he already has a task force in place to do that. But what Calsolaro's idea does is move out from just the city to draw in the resources of the region. Saratoga County District Attorney Jim Murphy, for example, has expressed an interest in getting involved.

At any rate, it can't hurt marrying these ideas. Hopefully, the mayor will reconsider.

Fred LeBrun can be reached at 454-5453.
 
Problem is, right now the Ike Clanton Gang is winning

Interesting historical note, which is that they were affiliated with the democratic party. The choice of criminals for over a hundred years. ;)
 
The NYSRPA is reporting today that articles in today's paper include statements by the Mayor and the Chief of Police are not supporting this program.
I read in this morning's newspaper that the mayor (a critical voice to
legislative success in Albany) and the Chief of Police both object to this
initiative makeing it more difficult BY FAR to pull off -- although the Times
Union and Fred LeBrun have voiced support.

We'll see what unfolds ... or unravels, eh.

Maybe this won't be happening anytime soon.

MJ
 
Most of the guns are pistols that come from southern states,

Which would explain why we're just knee-deep in dead bodies down here. Heck, I have to get up a scratch fire team just to go to the Bi-Lo. You should be glad you live someplace safe where only a trickle of guns gets smuggled in from the gun-overrun Southern states... :rolleyes:
 
If all of these years of gun possession and gun restrictions has not had the desired effect, maybe its time to 'change polarity' and try something different.

How about instituting a shall-issue CCW system?
 
Perhaps that's not Calsolaro's intention, but his weakest line of argument is that there's a need for better coordination between various federal and local police agencies over guns. He offers no evidence.

The liberals need evidence?! A sham, I say. :rolleyes:
 
12GA...

Looks like you never got that memo about passing more laws that you don't intend to enforce will lower crime...:rolleyes: Obviously Tamara didn't get the same memo either..

Most of the guns are pistols that come from southern states,

Tamara,

All they are saying is, the people in the South aren't buying up the weapons quickly enough... so the surplus is being sold up north.. So you know what you gotta do!! So you know what you people in the south have to do... Buy more guns!!:D
 
12GA... Looks like you never got that memo about passing more laws that you don't intend to enforce will lower crime... Obviously Tamara didn't get the same memo either..

But, but, but .... we're gonna' have a Task Force. :banghead:
 
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