jstein650
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HA! "and there is only a certain amount of ridiculous I'm willing to tolerate from my contraptions."
That, often times, is the rate limiting factor...
That, often times, is the rate limiting factor...
Anyone know how hot ejected cases are?
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You don't want to catch them, but I believe .22lr is the hottest out there or maybe it just feels that way when you are bending over to pick up .45s and a shooter next to you drops one down the plumber's crack. Now don't laugh, it wasn't funny at all.
jaysouth
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Some years ago after a spectacular Thanksgiving dinner with lots and lots of family members who had not seen each other for several years, we decided to go my brother's farm and shoot.
After tacking targets to falling down farm buildings and shooting, it got kind of tame. We tried to figure out how we could get some moving targets. No luck, however, we had a rented Lincoln Town car that we could pile in and do driveby practice. Getting organized, we put up targets on the barn(long disused). We put out commence fire stakes and cease fire stakes. A safety was designated and put in the back seat to keep the shooter's elbows OUTSIDE of the vehicle and enforce commence fire and cease fire commands. The driver, me, was the front safety who pushed the front seat shooter's elbows outside the car when driving clockwise relative to the target.
The first shooter was my mother who was a spry 85 at the time. She was shooting a Glock 19 that we had given her for Christmas the year before. We took a practice drive by to so the safety could show the shooter where the commence fire stake was, and to quit shooting after passing the cease fire stake.
On the first pass, the safety was pushing my mother in middle of her back so the gun and her elbows were outside the window. Well, my mother has shrunk with age by about half. when the safety thought her elbows were outside the window, actually the gun was even with the window. When she fired her first shot, the brass went down the driver's (me) shirt. I slammed on the brakes, jammed the transmission into park and jumpted out of the car and started dancing until I could pull out my shirt tail and get rid of that hot case. I had a blister on my neck where it first hit me.
Every body shouted 'do it again', they had not seen ever such a frenetic dance from an old plump guy and wanted to see it again.
Well, we got out act together and spend the rest of the day doing driveby training on the barn. A recent addition to the family, a very attractive young wife who was from France, asked "Is every one like this"? The response was, Sweetie, you are in Arkinsas, and EVERYONE is like this! She had a poster size enlargment made of her shooting glocks in each hand. Nice international relations
When I turned the car in at the airport, it was covered with cow manure everywhere except the headlights and windshield, the floor had several hundred cartridge cases and dozens of empty beer cans rolling around. I was still nursing a blister on my neck.
After tacking targets to falling down farm buildings and shooting, it got kind of tame. We tried to figure out how we could get some moving targets. No luck, however, we had a rented Lincoln Town car that we could pile in and do driveby practice. Getting organized, we put up targets on the barn(long disused). We put out commence fire stakes and cease fire stakes. A safety was designated and put in the back seat to keep the shooter's elbows OUTSIDE of the vehicle and enforce commence fire and cease fire commands. The driver, me, was the front safety who pushed the front seat shooter's elbows outside the car when driving clockwise relative to the target.
The first shooter was my mother who was a spry 85 at the time. She was shooting a Glock 19 that we had given her for Christmas the year before. We took a practice drive by to so the safety could show the shooter where the commence fire stake was, and to quit shooting after passing the cease fire stake.
On the first pass, the safety was pushing my mother in middle of her back so the gun and her elbows were outside the window. Well, my mother has shrunk with age by about half. when the safety thought her elbows were outside the window, actually the gun was even with the window. When she fired her first shot, the brass went down the driver's (me) shirt. I slammed on the brakes, jammed the transmission into park and jumpted out of the car and started dancing until I could pull out my shirt tail and get rid of that hot case. I had a blister on my neck where it first hit me.
Every body shouted 'do it again', they had not seen ever such a frenetic dance from an old plump guy and wanted to see it again.
Well, we got out act together and spend the rest of the day doing driveby training on the barn. A recent addition to the family, a very attractive young wife who was from France, asked "Is every one like this"? The response was, Sweetie, you are in Arkinsas, and EVERYONE is like this! She had a poster size enlargment made of her shooting glocks in each hand. Nice international relations
When I turned the car in at the airport, it was covered with cow manure everywhere except the headlights and windshield, the floor had several hundred cartridge cases and dozens of empty beer cans rolling around. I was still nursing a blister on my neck.
hogshead
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I have no scientific evidence to back this up but if you get a 308 down the front of your shirt its a little hotter than the surface of the sun.
You guys are forgetting about the thermal capacity of the cases. The temperature is one factor, thermal capacity another, and total thermal transfer yet one more.
Way back in shop class, I was doing some practice welding. Took off the helmet, picked up a chunk of metal, and my fingers started smoking. First thought was "that don't look right". Dropped that piece real quick. It was aluminum, and I didn't feel the heat coming from it, but there was plenty there to smoke flesh. Took a few minutes for it to hurt - took days for it to stop. It was hot, probably 800* or so, with plenty of thermal capacity.
Way back in shop class, I was doing some practice welding. Took off the helmet, picked up a chunk of metal, and my fingers started smoking. First thought was "that don't look right". Dropped that piece real quick. It was aluminum, and I didn't feel the heat coming from it, but there was plenty there to smoke flesh. Took a few minutes for it to hurt - took days for it to stop. It was hot, probably 800* or so, with plenty of thermal capacity.
dmazur
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Most of the discussion seems to be semiauto pistol brass (9mm, .45ACP, etc.) and I can confirm that these are hot on ejection.
However,
is true only for bolt-actions and lever-actions. I've tried this in a Model 70 clone and a Winchester 1895 and the brass is warm on ejection.
The Garand ejects the case before the heat can transfer to the chamber, and the case is too hot to touch.
Same load, different speed of ejection...
However,
is true only for bolt-actions and lever-actions. I've tried this in a Model 70 clone and a Winchester 1895 and the brass is warm on ejection.
The Garand ejects the case before the heat can transfer to the chamber, and the case is too hot to touch.
Same load, different speed of ejection...
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That was kind of my point of the heat transfer comment. By the time I eject a 50 BMG case from the rifle, it's not hot. Autoloaders come out a lot faster but are still cooling off very quick.
Anneal brass and you can see just how quickly they dissipate heat.
This video would be a good example. If they had the heat enough to self anneal, there would be no talk of doing such and brass would be unsafe to reload.
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No pics, it never happened (Maria, BTW)
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HA! "and there is only a certain amount of ridiculous I'm willing to tolerate from my contraptions."
That, often times, is the rate limiting factor...
Really, I might try to keep what dignity I think I have and spend some time maybe building something respectable looking, but last time I was at the range I know my brass got mixed with in with a few guys banging away down the line, which wouldn't have been bad, except the range ammo sweeper guy comes running in with big saucer eyes sweeping up all he could. I really couldn't go through the brass, I was mainly keeping what was landing next to me, but I was pretty pissed at myself that I was losing $.
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Been there, done that, DON'T LIKE IT !!! Burns like hell !!When a .45 drops down your shirt... it's HOT
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Ran across this gif a little while ago, made me think of this thread. While it doesnt add to the discussion, I think it might be relevant.
firesky101
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I think it varies a lot on the cartridge and firearm. The first time my father shot his K31 with me, he pulled out the freshly fired casing and dropped it down my shirt. I jumped up figuring it would be hot, but it was ambient temp. I believe it was GP11, no idea why those casings don't heat up at all.
stiffdogg06
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Hot enough to leave a nice little circle scar on my right biceps. This was a 180gr .40 with 5.9gr of Unique.
mstreddy
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I've seen and performed my share of the HBD - Hot Brass Dance... I always smile when a young man wants to impress all around with the hottie girlfriend that he brings to the range in a skimpy top -- tank tops, etc... and of course shooting semi auto pistols.
My personal fave was when shooting the M240 for the first time -- ejects on the bottom as you may know -- sloped concrete shooting line, no BDU top, so bare forearms in the prone... must have gotten 15-20 pieces of toasty 308 right by my arms and elbows. But I was still grinning as it was the first time shooting our brand spanking new 240s.
I've also gotten the occasional brass in the forehead and almost staying on the frame of the glasses. -- not fun!
My personal fave was when shooting the M240 for the first time -- ejects on the bottom as you may know -- sloped concrete shooting line, no BDU top, so bare forearms in the prone... must have gotten 15-20 pieces of toasty 308 right by my arms and elbows. But I was still grinning as it was the first time shooting our brand spanking new 240s.
I've also gotten the occasional brass in the forehead and almost staying on the frame of the glasses. -- not fun!
Float Pilot
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A hot chamber will make them even hotter....
I got myself into trouble during a shooting demonstration suing a m-249 SAW and 400 rounds all belted together ,,, for one long burst... While cutting a 55 gallon drum in two, the brass bounced of a box we had set-up and instead went flying into the crowd.... A few folks had some real blisters... Deep doo-doo ensued...
I got myself into trouble during a shooting demonstration suing a m-249 SAW and 400 rounds all belted together ,,, for one long burst... While cutting a 55 gallon drum in two, the brass bounced of a box we had set-up and instead went flying into the crowd.... A few folks had some real blisters... Deep doo-doo ensued...
When the Garand was the match rifle on the firing line, competitors wore the Marine Corp Campaign hat to protect themselves from those big, hot 30-06 cases flying in the air. Garands will kick cases out in almost a 360 degree circle.
I have experienced burns when cases from the Garand on the position to my left went down my shooting coat or landed on my neck.
I have experienced burns when cases from the Garand on the position to my left went down my shooting coat or landed on my neck.
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Amen.
I was just doing some load development last night with a Garand. Every once in a while, the case would eject in the perfect trajectory to land back on the bench after a brief trip around the room. That way I could absent-mindedly pick it up to put it back in the box. It's not so much the heat you notice, but the fact that the brass is sticky, like when you pick up a really cold piece of metal and it freezes to your fingers. That's right about when I remember how you should let Garand brass cool a little before you pick it up. Just about the same time, those slow pain nerve fibers are getting the signal to my brain that I've seared my fingers to something, and I should probably address that issue.
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JRH6856
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I have made brass catchers from mesh soccer ball bags and aquarium nets for tropical fish. None have shown any sign of melting. FWIW, the fish nets work best for me.
tbob38
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This is pretty much what I was going to say. M1 30-06 brass is blazing hot.
blahpony
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Though it's harder for the cases to burn you from another zip code.
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Ha! And I thought it was from flying too close to the sun.
FROGO207
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I warned one former GF repeatedly that looking like eye candy was not cool when shooting at the range. Then got to laugh until I cried when she did the hot brass dance while watching a friend shoot while up close and personal. We could not determine if it was 2 or 3 9MM casings that fell down her top at once but I saw at least 2 come out while dancing. The best part was helping comfort her that evening.
mstreddy
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Atrue gentleman
And on the mini, it's actually the heat from atmospheric re-entry.
Frogo - truly a gent!
And on the mini, it's actually the heat from atmospheric re-entry.
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