Anyone using APPENDIX CARRY as occasional or primary carry?

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I carry appendix when I carry. I usually wear an undershirt between the gun and my skin and a button up shirt untucked to conceal the gun.

It's a Raven Concealment Vanguard 2.

Appendix carry is exponentially easier the smaller the waist. There's a huge comfort difference with just 1-2 inches when my weight and waist fluctuate.

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I appendix carry a full size XD 40 every day, at about the 2 O'clock position. I have tried farther back where most people seem to carry 4- 5 O'clock, but because of my age, build or whatever, I cant get to the thing without wrenching my shoulder.
 
I've pretty much totally switched to carrying my XDsc in a High Noon Mr Softy @ 1 o'clock. Love it.
 
Every day I have an untucked shirt on. PJ's holster and appendex holsters are made for each other. I don't even change the cant from the stock FBI.

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The consequences of a flubbed draw or re-holster are too dire for me to consider it.
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If you *need* your carry piece and flub the draw, I don't really see how where you carry will have made a whole lot of difference as far as the dire consequences are concerned.

Sounds like you are planning for failure.

For practice draws there are wax bullets, laser trainers, air-soft etc. so you can learn not to flub.
 
A lot of valid concerns. I personally won't carry a 1911, Glock or other cocked and locked or pre tensioned firing pin guns appendix. I'm playing with a Kahr and, due to the length of the trigger pull, I think I'm ok with it, even though its striker fired. Usually, I prefer a gun with a hammer. P239 DAK or revolver.

Draw smooth. Reholster slow.
 
Dry practice. I believe it was Cooper who say the live fire was the display of proper dry practice.

Anyone serious about carrying for self defense will have dry practice equate for at least 90%+ of their training.

You don't need lasers, wax bullets or anything else fancy aside from non-live rounds if you will be practicing malfunction drills in your home. If you reload that's easy to do, just set a bullet without powder and a dead primer under it.

Yes, having a negligent discharge with AIWB could be more fatal than other methods of carry.

I'd argue that any negligent discharge is bad though and you should be diligent in your training and methods.

As far as reholstering? That's when many incidents happen and there is no reason for it. A slow and methodical reholster, there is no reason not to. No one ever won a gunfight because they reholstered the quickest.
 
As far as reholstering? That's when many incidents happen and there is no reason for it. A slow and methodical reholster, there is no reason not to. No one ever won a gunfight because they reholstered the quickest.
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No, but there are conceivable scenarios where you might have to reholster somewhat quickly. If you are a police officer (like me), you may have to holster the weapon and put hands on the suspect to handcuff him. Even if you are not an LEO, it's possible, however unlikely, that you may realize you are not justified in using lethal force, but still have a fight on your hands. If that happens, you may need to reholster quickly. A much more likely scenario is that you will need to reholster but can't easily afford to take your eyes off the potential threat, and may thus be more likely to have something like a shirt tail get into your trigger guard as you attempt to reholster.

These things are not, admittedly, such high risks that lots of people don't make appendix carry work well for them. But I still like strong side carry and I'll stick with it.
 
I used to, when I was thinner. I find it uncomfortable now. I assume we're talking IWB-APPENDIX?
A concealed hammer J-frame worked great. Semi autos, not so much.
I had no problem with a proficient one hand draw.
But, that's just me.

Now I run a sub compact nine, IWB, 2:30-3:00, strong side, with an uber-strong forward cant (grip near vertical). I spend 10-15 hours per day, driving tractor-trailer, with a heavily bolstered seat. Very comfortable, and assessable.
 
Why would somebody draw and then reholster a loaded glock (or any gun) in front of you? Some of these stories make me wonder. If I'm carrying condition 1, which I do with a glock 22 appendix - its in a kydex holster and it's not coming out unless emergency. When I reholster appendix I take the holster off my belt and then reholster. Common sense helps!
 
"Yes, having a negligent discharge with AIWB could be more fatal than other methods of carry."

More fatal? How you be more than dead? Fatal is fatal.

Jeez folks, use a clip-on IWB holster. Take the holster out of your pants and then insert the gun. Now, very carefully, put it back in your pants. See how easy it is to overcome irrational fear of guns?
 
Just a couple of points, if you carry at the 1 or 2 o'clock position you could be in potential trouble if you have an AD. A major artery runs in that location in both the right and left leg. If hit in that artery by the discharge, you will or should bleed out with in two min, not enough time to get help to you before you are dead. There are cases where the damage wasn't that bad and it would take 20 min to bleed out, but if the artery was severed there would be no hope in saving the poor sole.

I carry at the 3 O'clock position and if had an AD I would no doubt feel it in the butt, but would have enough time to drive myself to the hospital. (LOL)

Each person can carry where ever they feel is best, but if carrying in the area of the posts question, they should at least consider the risks. I do when hunting carry in a cross draw, but with the barrel pointed at the thigh and not at the leg.

Keep safe and in good health.
Jim
 
"but if the artery was severed there would be no hope in saving the poor sole."

He was shot in the foot? Sorry, it was just too easy.

I suppose the newbies need to be told - again - that if you shoot yourself there could be unpleasant consequences.
 
Pretty sure the discussion was regarding EDC for defensive purposes, not re-holstering quickly during competition.

Anyway - I appendix carry all the time with my snub-nose revolvers, a 442 and SP101. Semi-autos are usually carried on my hip at 4 o'clock (lefty). I won't own a Glock, so I don't worry about the shirt-tail-in-the-trigger-guard-ND, though I am still very careful about holstering any of my pistols.
 
As I understand the "rules" in IDPA...If you, as the competitor with a RSO standing right next to you, sweep your body part (pick one) with your weapon...you are done for the day...period.
The 1 or 2 o'clock carry necessitates doing exactly that.
The rule exists for safety reasons...unlike some of the other dumb posterior part, inane rules of the competition.
Since I am a NRA certified nut...and enjoy seeing my current and past students continue to not bleed out from self inflicted wounds, appendix carry is VERY strongly discouraged.
I'd rather see vertical shoulder or cross draw for vehicle time and 3:00-4:30 for std.carry.
Obviously, people can do what they want...but
I usually request they please wait until they are done with the class. :)
 
Why would somebody draw and then reholster a loaded glock (or any gun) in front of you?
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Well, they have this thing called IDPA...the pistol has to go into the holster sometime.
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Pretty sure the discussion was regarding EDC for defensive purposes, not re-holstering quickly during competition.
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This.

Anyway, I don't re-holster quickly or one handed while trying to cuff someone as a LEO might be doing. I re-holster slowly and very carefully. I have been carrying this way for over a decade.

I prefer IWB appendix carry because it makes gun 'snatching' very difficult. I carry a DA/SA snubbie in a Bianchi Pro100 holster that almost completely covers every part of my snubbie except for the grip making a fouled trigger accidental discharge extremely unlikely.

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I appendix carry a Glock 23 & occasionally a 21SF. I practiced a lot with empty guns to insure no trigger snags and I still reholster slowly just to be sure. 4:00 carry feels alien to me, can't stand it.
 
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