Appleseed Rimfires

[dnthmn]

Can't speak for others, but *I* do not have great eyesight.
*I* used to hide behind the excuse of needing a scope.
Then *I* decided I wanted to shoot well with irons, and trained that way.

Got my patch with open sights... on a tube-fed, no less.



Still think a lot of folks hide behind the glass. Try it with irons. Once you can make the grade with irons unsupported, then go back and try glass from a rest and watch how small your groups get!

So you actually just agreed with me. Your orginal statement was, "there is no difference shooting irons or a scope on this course of fire." With less than excellent eye sight, you will shoot better with a scope. No excuses. It helps overcome a deficiency.

I do agree that everyone should become proficient with irons though. You can still learn to shoot very well with irons and less than perfect eye sight.

 

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One way to do it is to put a tactical scope on your rifle like a millett 1-4 power with a 1 moa dot... then sight the rifle to hit just above the dot at 25 yards on 1 power.

 

[Usagi]

So you actually just agreed with me. Your orginal statement was, "there is no difference shooting irons or a scope on this course of fire." With less than excellent eye sight, you will shoot better with a scope. No excuses. It helps overcome a deficiency.

I do agree that everyone should become proficient with irons though. You can still learn to shoot very well with irons and less than perfect eye sight.

Yeah - "training" involved learning how to line up a peep sight. Took about 1, maybe 2 AQT's of "practice" before the scores evened out.

I agree that scopes can help overcome a deficiency... I also think that not nearly as many people actually have the deficiency as claim it. I know because I was once in that crowd.

 

[arizona98tj]

I think far too many people are too focused on scopes vs iron sights, how good is someone's eye sight, etc. :banghead: That is not what Appleseed is about. If you have been there and think it is, then you really, really missed the point, IMHO. If you haven't been there, forget about this thread and go enjoy yourself at an Appleseed shoot.

 

[MrSpiffy]

I qualified "Rifleman" with my Savage MKII bolt-action .22LR and scope. I'd highly-recommend a .22LR for Appleseed shoots, as you put a lot of rounds downrange in a single day. (Although, I did manage to use my Mosin-Nagant for day 2... didn't make Rifleman, though.) Semiauto, is not a requirement. But it would definitely help in hitting those targets faster. The bolt slows you down. But if you're fast enough, even a boltie will do Rifleman.

For a first-time Appleseed shooter, I'd probably recommend a semiauto. Probably a 10/22.

 

[Professor Gun]

Appleseed is about improving your skills with a rifle you own. You can work on the basic skills with a scope, open sights, peep sights, etc. For a lot of folks with less than perfect vision a scope is a necessity.

I have been to three Appleseeds as a student, I highly recommend them to anyone regardless of your experience level as a shooter. I went in with a lot of experience and still learned a lot that has improved my shooting skills. At my third Appleseed I finally achieved the Rifleman patch and have volunteered to become an "Instructor In Training".

The instructors at the three Appleseeds I have attended were phenomenal; it is obvious the bar is set high for those who become full fledged Appleseed instructors.

 

[Faitmaker]

Appleseed is about getting back to America's heritage, which is individual freedom. It is non-political. It is about you getting active in whatever cause drives you instead of letting others drive you there. The shooting is secondary but incredibly fun.

 

[snake284]

Appleseed

I agree, appleseed is about learning, learning history, learning about freedom, learning about ethics. As a sideline it teaches you how to shoot. I haven't made Rifelman yet, but judging from what I've seen, it ain't no cake walk.

 

[CraigC]

I think far too many people are too focused on scopes vs iron sights, how good is someone's eye sight, etc.

I disagree. Yes, Appleseed is about a lot more than just riflery but there is riflery training nonetheless. The equipment is important and I'm sure there are lots of folks reading this thread wondering what to bring. Fact is that irons or optics, if your rifle has neither you will be at a disadvantage and won't get the most out of the course. No doubt there are plenty of shooters out there wondering if they should spend their money on a cheap scope or a set of Tech Sights. Either would be a vast improvement over the factory open sights and surely enhance their experience. Then they can start worrying about getting a proper sling and some spare magazines. Sure, there are some folks content with just "running what they brung" and that is perfectly find. Then there are also those of us who like to be prepared and want to get the most out of the experience. I went to a lot of effort to attend with a proper rifle and it paid off in spades.

 

[mljdeckard]

Ok, now not only do I want the patch, I want to start getting my boys ready for it too. I think a good benchmark for them will be: "When you have got the patch with iron sights, I'll let you start using the scope."