I am bulding my first ar-15. I have been racking my brain to decide on a trigger. the triggers in question are the jewel trigger, timney trigger, gieselle trigger or the Ar gold trigger (which is the one I am leaning toward). any advice would be appreciated...
ar-15 trigger comparisons
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A thread at m4carbine.net you may want to read.
Ed Ames
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The only of those I have any experience with is the ATC gold trigger, and that experience is limited to firing off a magazine or two and playing with the lower -- basically popping it off the main sear to see the secondary sear trigger pull, watching the sear disengage when the safety was engaged, and so on.
It is nice... I don't know why I can't bring myself to say outstanding because it is actually quite good, but I'm sticking with nice. Definitely better than the stock AR triggers I've played with but... can't say why I'm not enthused. The safety features are very good and it looked extremely well made. It is up there with the best triggers I've used on any rifle... but it isn't the best.
It is a fixed 3.5lb pull trigger as far as I can tell, though their web page seems to imply that it is adjustable. Maybe that's what bugs me ... their web page is long on BS, short on facts. I'm also a little down on them insisting on saying over and over again it is a competition trigger. Why do I want something that is supposedly only good for competition?
I would want to try the others before I dumped close to $300 on one....
It is nice... I don't know why I can't bring myself to say outstanding because it is actually quite good, but I'm sticking with nice. Definitely better than the stock AR triggers I've played with but... can't say why I'm not enthused. The safety features are very good and it looked extremely well made. It is up there with the best triggers I've used on any rifle... but it isn't the best.
It is a fixed 3.5lb pull trigger as far as I can tell, though their web page seems to imply that it is adjustable. Maybe that's what bugs me ... their web page is long on BS, short on facts. I'm also a little down on them insisting on saying over and over again it is a competition trigger. Why do I want something that is supposedly only good for competition?
I would want to try the others before I dumped close to $300 on one....
I bought the Geiselle trigger from word of mouth only. The HighPower competition precision guys at Camp Perry said to get it. That is what was recommended to me.
2 stage adjustable.
It is my understanding that combat shooters may prefer a single stage.
2 stage adjustable.
It is my understanding that combat shooters may prefer a single stage.
sarduy
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i use a single stage
paulo
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The Geiselle is very nice,I have one in a spacegun. Single stage I would recomend it. They are a bit pricey.
Rock River makes a nice two stage if you want to shoot service rifle .This is a great alternative.
Rock River makes a nice two stage if you want to shoot service rifle .This is a great alternative.
Howard Roark
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Howard Roark
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No, I haven't seen one yet. I plan to pick one up at Perry this year to play with. I like the idea of it being EDM cut and not cast. Not that there is a problem with Bill's triggers but I'm always looking for something better. I've got 3 Geiselles now. I've seen where the Geiselle is 50% faster than stock, a stock trigger is about 16 milliseconds. The new trigger has a high speed video showing that it has a 4 millisecond lock time.
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The trigger in my match rifle (highpower) has been acting up a bit lately. It will slowly start to feel "scratchy" in the first stage. I really don't notice until I get chicken finger and realize whats going on. I cleaned and lubed it before a match two weeks ago and it was doing OK until it rained when we got to the 600 yard line and it pierced 5 or 6 primers. The trigger housing got hosed with carbon and I lost the first stage for a shot and then it went back to breaking erratically. Understandable enough but I wonder if there is wear exascerbating the problem. A harder surface might eliminate this issue.
Edited to add:
The trigger in my match rifle (highpower) has been acting up a bit lately. It will slowly start to feel "scratchy" in the first stage. I really don't notice until I get chicken finger and realize whats going on. I cleaned and lubed it before a match two weeks ago and it was doing OK until it rained when we got to the 600 yard line and it pierced 5 or 6 primers. The trigger housing got hosed with carbon and I lost the first stage for a shot and then it went back to breaking erratically. Understandable enough but I wonder if there is wear exascerbating the problem. A harder surface might eliminate this issue.
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Zundfolge
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I have the Timney Skeletonized drop in trigger on my AR.
Its a wonderful trigger, short, crisp, 3lbs. And installation was a breeze.
Frankly I dislike 2 stage triggers ... but I also don't shoot highpower.
Its a wonderful trigger, short, crisp, 3lbs. And installation was a breeze.
Frankly I dislike 2 stage triggers ... but I also don't shoot highpower.
kwelz
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The important question is what you are going to be doing with the gun. That will make it a bit easier to answer. Honestly all the triggers mentioned are good for range/hunting guns.
well I am planing to use this AR build as a long range cross over weapon. for distance and tactical purposes if needed. Highly accurate, fast and light weight. I am building it off of the sun devil reciever upper and lower in nickel teflon, young manufactoring national match bolt, lothar walther barrel 1:9, pws comp, daniel defese quad rail.. the trigger is the only hold out?!
so I guess the answer is accuracy and speed... the only american way to do things ha ha!!
so I guess the answer is accuracy and speed... the only american way to do things ha ha!!
Jim Watson
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I saw the AR Gold and X-Treme triggers at the SHOT Show. Both were very nice but I would give the edge to the X-Treme.
Maverick223
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That is an impressive trigger...now why am I looking at this? I have no AR-15...or any real plans to get one...or any of the other guns they make triggers for.
SwampWolf
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The RRA 2-stage National Match trigger is a great unit. What makes it especially nice, it's way more affordable than some of the pricier alternatives that aren't any better.
Shung
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DO they make the X-trem trigger for colt large pins ?
If it's your first AR, my recommendation would be to just use the standard trigger if your AR is going to be an M4-gery or other "tactical" style, or used for 3 gun, etc, at least until you get used to the platform and know better what you want and what the gun will be used for.
If you gotta have a two stage trigger for a tactical style build, I would recommend the Geissele SSA, which claims to be the only two stage trigger that's as durable and reliable as the standard single stage.
I have an SSA coming in this week, took a while to find someone who had one in stock (prices on them have also increased 33% since introduction). I have also heard good things about the two stage triggers from LMT (I think only sold as part of a complete lower receiver) and Armalite when used in tactical style guns (remember that reliability and durability is more important here). Conversely, I have heard that the Rock River two stage is not too durable, though I have a RR tuned by White Oak Armament, but it's on my SPR-style AR, and doesn't see high round counts. I don't know if the tuning makes any difference other than the feel.
If it's a precision competition gun of some sort, I have heard the "best" is apparently the Geissele hi-speed. Rainier Arms sells them with the springs for all three pull weights for the same price as other places charge for only one pull weight. I have also heard good things about the JP Rifles two stage.
If you gotta have a two stage trigger for a tactical style build, I would recommend the Geissele SSA, which claims to be the only two stage trigger that's as durable and reliable as the standard single stage.
I have an SSA coming in this week, took a while to find someone who had one in stock (prices on them have also increased 33% since introduction). I have also heard good things about the two stage triggers from LMT (I think only sold as part of a complete lower receiver) and Armalite when used in tactical style guns (remember that reliability and durability is more important here). Conversely, I have heard that the Rock River two stage is not too durable, though I have a RR tuned by White Oak Armament, but it's on my SPR-style AR, and doesn't see high round counts. I don't know if the tuning makes any difference other than the feel.
If it's a precision competition gun of some sort, I have heard the "best" is apparently the Geissele hi-speed. Rainier Arms sells them with the springs for all three pull weights for the same price as other places charge for only one pull weight. I have also heard good things about the JP Rifles two stage.
gvnwst
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The X-treme trigger looks good, ill have to see if i can get my hands on one to try.
To the OP, i have a timney, and it is great, but another trigger you want to look into is the JP single stage, it is GREAT.
To the OP, i have a timney, and it is great, but another trigger you want to look into is the JP single stage, it is GREAT.
FYI, I don't know what trigger is in a Colt 6920, but it is the best factory trigger I have EVER handled on a semi-auto rifle. (Single stage, no creep breaks like glass...)
i played with them today, Howard. ironically, they're sharing a bldg with geissele, so you can pull one, do an about face, and pull the other for an immediate comparison.
my initial take: unimpressed. the demo model was rough pull on the first stage (felt uneven, like it was dragging in spots) and longer pull by far than the geissele and the 2nd was crisp, but not better.
kwelz
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