AR colt or bushmaster?

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I researched at length prior to buying my first AR, which turned out to be a Bushy 20" HBAR A3. I've since added a Bushy 16" superlight. Been more than satisfied with both. They are tack drivers, and out of thousands of rounds fired, I've had a grand total of ONE (magazine related) malfunction.

I don't have it out for any brands, but all I'm gonna say about Colt, is that I don't understand what the hype is about. The last two Colts I handled were 20" A3 HBARS "match target", very similar to the first Bushy I bought. They appeared to have standard takedown pins (pleasant surprise) but featured a BLACK PLASTIC buffer, half circle/deep firing pin cut carrier, no chrome lining in sight, and I'm sure the obligatory proprietary fire control group. No thanks. First on the list of stuff to do would be a real buffer and full weight carrier, and thats after paying MORE for the rifle to start with, and still doesn't fix the lack of chrome lining...

At the end of my initial research, I concluded the following:

Colt: Uppers and lowers change takedown pin sizes about every other month, you always have to deal with proprietary lower parts, the lightweight carrier is ever-present, chrome lining is very difficult to find, and you pay plenty more money than you do for other brands. I didn't even know about the plastic buffers until later. I will say that the new 6400C M4gery sounds like a nice rifle. Why can't they build their entire line like that?

RRA: Doesn't have all the proprietary lower crap, but once more, chrome lining isn't a given at all. At the time I researched it, it was my understanding that there was about ONE RRA model out there with chrome lining. I can't imagine why you wouldn't put chrome lining in an AR barrel, with the possible exception of a 24" varminter upper, or something like that. I don't know what other internals they use.

Bushy: None of the above problems. All 20" barrels and shorter are chambered for 5.56 Nato, and are chrome lined, period. They are made of mil-spec material, as are the Colt barrels. Other brands use a different material for their barrels. Bushy uses standard lower parts, full weight carriers, and metal buffers. Another thing I personally noticed, is that while Bushy sells something like 3 times as many civilian AR's as its closest competitor, there are not any more bushy complaints posted to forums like this than there are complaints about any other brand. I think that says something as well.

I didn't consider DPMS, Olympic, etc. In the end, I was looking for the closest thing possible to mil-spec, with a solid reputation. That was Bushy for me. YMMV.
 
If it were a leo gun I would say colt. Because ours still have chrome and a metal buffer. Civilian colts have several cost cutting measures of late such as a plastic buffer and no chrome in the bores. I would take bushy if I were buying a postban rifle. The funky pin sizes is much to do about nothing.
Pat
 
Originally posted by Vanfunk

I almost walked out of my gunshop the other week with a new DPMS 16" 'cause it looked really, really good

If you would have snatched it up, it would have been money well spent. Great carbine. Like it has been said, AR owners are brand loyal. The only loyalty I haven't heard of is ASA. You will find instructors who say positive things about any of the big makers, A,B,C,D, and R. You really can't go wrong.
 
I refuse to fund Colt any further until they stop their crummy anti-citizen policies. Besides, no matter the gun, you can generally find a better brand for cheaper.

Bushmaster, baby!!
 
Really Only 2 Complaints with Bushmaster

The only 2 things you could really nit pick with Bushmaster is as previously posted, Bushy FSB's are already mounted before the final finishing. The other thing would be the silly plastic trigger guard. But changing out the plastic for metal, if it were important to you is a very simple process.

The Colt MT 6400c would be the only Colt I'd personally consider and does prove that Colt does still remember how to build an AR pattern, but there's still the issue of the fire control group, etc. And it makes one wonder why Colt isn't willing to improve the entire line. Whenever I see a Colt I think to myself, 'Go Chrome or Go Home'... Their name recognition can only take them so far...

Until then, I'll continue to buy ArmaLite and Bushmaster...
 
FWIW, my buddy bought a Colt because that was what he used in Vietnam. Then bought a Bushmaster. Personally, I found the Bushmaster to be more accurate than the Colt. His Colt is for sale! He even prefers the Bushmaster.
 
You CAN mount a scope on an A2 upper, but its supposed to be cumbersum.

Since you mentioned that... Does anybody have experience with the Trijicons and their carry handle mounts?

Anyway, I've got a bushmaster, I'm planning one getting a preban, probably a colt just because they're avaliable.
 
Currently I'm using 2 Compact ACOG TA50R-2's and an ACOG TA-31, all carry handle mounted and I can't recommend them highly enough.

You should stop by AR15.com... the optics forum has a great wealth of information and some very knowledgable posters on the Trijicon scopes. There are also tacked threads with pictures of views through the different ACOG models for comparison.
 
Thanks for the info on teh Trijicon... Can you tell me what the deal is with the one or two screw mounting? My first carry handle mount was just worthless. My ARMS mount isn't bad at all but I had to loctite it on and it's not exactly the type I'd need for a magnified scope. I can't get into AR15.com right now.. I keep getting page cannot be displayed:banghead:
 
I will tell you get a LMT, You will me very happy,it is a clone of Colt, M4 Feedramps,1/7 twist Barrel, Mil Spec, Buffer Tube,Stock tube. I own 2-LMT's and a Colt LE 6920 and I would chose LMT. Colt QC Sucks BIG TIME, I had to send my new Colt LE 6920 back to Colt for QC problems and Colt fixed Half of them, they told me that the LE model is not suppose to look good just to fire.
 
Colts QC rocks. Never had a problem with my 6920 nor have I seen any. I can't say that about Bushy, DPMS, Oly, or Armalite. Never tried RRA. I take it your rifle had cosmetic issues not any real problems based on your comments.
Pat
 
Go Colt of go home. If you buy a Colt you will not have to send it back to the factory again and again. That can't be said of all the competition.
Pat
 
Colt QC Sucks BIG TIME, I had to send my new Colt LE 6920 back to Colt for QC problems and Colt fixed Half of them, they told me that the LE model is not suppose to look good just to fire.
Can you please be more specific? You've got one post and so we know nothing about you, yet you come in here spouting rhetoric to the contrary of everything that most take for granted. What are these supposed problems that plagued your Colt?
 
If you shoot less than 5000+ rounds a year it doesn't really matter. Armalite, Bushmaster, RockRiver, Stag or Colt if you just have too much $$$ extra.
Colts do have some compatibility issues as some lowers have different joining pin sizes than other manufacturers & handguards may need to be "Colt" only if aftermarket etc.
CT
 
i picked bushmaster. customer service is excellent and good peace of mind, in the off chance you should need them.
 
If you plan to put a hell of a lot of rounds through this AR than you should get a Colt.

I disagree that there is any practical difference in the number of rounds that can be shot thru a Colt versus a Bushmaster.

Personal bias is rampant in this thread. I can perceive no useful difference between the Colts and Bushmasters that I own/have owned.
 
I can perceive no useful difference between the Colts and Bushmasters that I own/have owned.
MPI. Enough said.

Basically, no one is going to own up to buying a piece of crap. Even the bottom of the barrel stuff that Model 1 Sales sells is "great", or "I've never had a problem with mine." The simple fact of the matter is that some brands are better than others, and many shooters never find out how true it is with the small amount of shooting they do. Another fact is that few, if any, of the posters here have experience with a large enough sampling of ARs to form a valid opinion. Go ask someone who has dealt with literally hundreds or thousands of ARs over the years what they prefer, and Bushmaster will not be on the list. Colt will...

One well known instructor keeps a photo album of the many Bushmasters that have self destructed in his class.
 
Colt is no longer the only place to go to get a rifle with an MPI barrel/bolt, T-marked upper, Park under front sight tower, 4150 chrome-lined barrel, and all Mil-Spec parts.

For instance, CMMG rifles and uppers are every bit as good as Colts. They also are DIRAS/DIRLL compatable, if that matters to you. They have excellent customer service and a much wider choice of configurations.

Lauer/LMT and Bravo Company also make good rifles.

- Chris
 
Colt is no longer the only place to go to get a rifle with an MPI barrel/bolt, T-marked upper, Park under front sight tower, 4150 chrome-lined barrel, and all Mil-Spec parts.

For instance, CMMG rifles and uppers are every bit as good as Colts. They also are DIRAS/DIRLL compatable, if that matters to you. They have excellent customer service and a much wider choice of configurations.

Lauer/LMT and Bravo Company also make good rifles.

A better way to say it is that Colt is no longer the only place to get an AR period. With all of the competing makers, it has really become difficult to find a bad AR. RRA, DPMS, CMMG, LMT, STAG, Defensive Edge SLR15, Bushy, Sabre Defence, are all putting out quality rifles. Take the military contract away from Colt and they would go under. This is a hard pill to swallow for the Colt purists.
 
Colt is no longer the only place to go to get a rifle with an MPI barrel/bolt, T-marked upper, Park under front sight tower, 4150 chrome-lined barrel, and all Mil-Spec parts.
Very true, although Bushmaster is still not.

A better way to say it is that Colt is no longer the only place to get an AR period. With all of the competing makers, it has really become difficult to find a bad AR. RRA, DPMS, CMMG, LMT, STAG, Defensive Edge SLR15, Bushy, Sabre Defence, are all putting out quality rifles.
The original question was Colt or Bushmaster. And it is still pretty easy to find a bad AR. I suppose your opinion is probably based on your definition of "bad", as is mine.

Take the military contract away from Colt and they would go under.
I challenge you to name one military contract holder that would not struggle if their contracts were pulled. Not one of these nickel and dime places that recieves a contract that they never deliver on, I'm talking about a real supplier that delivers thousands upon thousands of their product. Colt still has a viable LE and civilain market. It sells every gun it makes. It just ships the majority of them to uncle sugar.

Bushmaster must have gone up in price. When I got my Colt Tac Carbine, I could have gotten the Bushmaster for about $300 less.
I'm pretty sure this isn't related to money. Besides, $300 is trivial. That's the cost of 1500 rounds of decent ammo.
 
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