AR from Pistol to Rifle?

[sarduy]

hey guys, it's me again

i know that to have a short barrel rifle 14.5 or less you need to register it and a tax stamp (BTW i'm in florida) but i was wondering...

what about if i get a AR Pistol Lower, and a pistol size upper but i add a stock? is that legal? sice it's just a pistol with a stock (like some glocks)

does that make it a short barrel rifle not not?

something like this but Build in a Pistol Lower

 

[Bartkowski]

SBR is under 16" not 14.5". And yes that would be an SBR therefore illegal without the proper forms and payment.

 

[sarduy]

even if it's build in a Pistol lower?

 

[Rubber_Duck]

The stock makes it a rifle. So you will end up with an SBR.

The kitty kat in the first pic would be a neat little gun to have!

 

[sarduy]

lol damn....

 

[sarduy]

uhh what about if i add this pistol grip? wold it be legal then?

http://www.californiarifles.com/

 

[MFC Bastion]

Dang, I wonder what the bolt carrier speed is on those first two!

 

[Kind of Blued]

Firearm regulations and consequently altered firearm design are like Tom & Jerry, running back and forth, hitting each other on the heads with mallets...

You'd have to ask the ATF on that baby seal club/pistol grip thing. Then have a friend ask them and see what they tell him. Then ask them again and see what they say.

 

[JWF III]

Sorry, but that's still a stock. It would still be illegal (unless you paid the tax).

Wyman

 

[Acera]

(like some glocks)

Those are illegal with out the stamp also.





Just because you can buy the parts, it does not make it legal to own, possess or use. You can go buy an drop in auto sear for an AR-15, but if caught with an AR-15 rifle you can be prosecuted. You can go buy a switchblade at most any gun show, but get caught carrying one in most states and you get free room and board at the states expense. There are a lot of people who do these things that do not know better, and some get caught.

 

[kingjoey]

Any rifle/pistol with a stock and a barrel shorter than 16" (or OAL shorter than 26") is going to be a SBR and require the tax stamp.

 

[rcmodel]

Once an AR pistol lower is marked as pistol lower, it is always a pistol.

You cannot "make it a rifle" again by adding a longer barrel and a stock, unless you pay for the tax stamp & register it, regardless of the barrel length.

rcmodel

 

[kingjoey]

Once an AR pistol lower is marked as pistol lower, it is always a pistol.

You cannot "make it a rifle" again by adding a longer barrel and a stock, unless you pay for the tax stamp & register it, regardless of the barrel length.

There's no problem doing that. The only time that is an issue is with AOW's, once a stock has been installed it is no longer considered a 'pistol' receiver and must go the SBR/SBS route.

 

[sarduy]

Thanks for all the help, it clear it for me.

Thanks a lot.

 

[Jeff F]

The way it has been explained to me is you can turn a pistol into a rifle but not the other way around. And to do it legal you have to install the long 16 inch rifle barrel or upper before you add the stock. I've got a couple of friends with TC's that go back and forth with no problems what so ever and no extra tax stamps.

 

[kingjoey]

The way it has been explained to me is you can turn a pistol into a rifle but not the other way around. And to do it legal you have to install the long 16 inch rifle barrel or upper before you add the stock. I've got a couple of friends with TC's that go back and forth with no problems what so ever and no extra tax stamps.

Yup. +1

 

[JShirley]

Yup.

Pistol to rifle is no problem, as long as the rifle is a legal (26" OAL, 16" barrel) one.

J

 

[Southern Raider]

Once an AR pistol lower is marked as pistol lower, it is always a pistol.

You cannot "make it a rifle" again by adding a longer barrel and a stock, unless you pay for the tax stamp & register it, regardless of the barrel length.

Actually this is incorrect and was settled in the the Supreme Court case United States v. Thompson/Center Arms. If a weapon leaves the factory as a pistol, you can also possess a conversion kit to take it to a full length rifle without paying the excise tax and manufacturing an SBR. Just don't ever have the pistol barrel and stock on the gun at the same time.

It does not work the other way. Once it leaves the factory as a rifle, any playing around risks turing it into an SBR or AOW.

 

[BsChoy]

Dang, I wonder what the bolt carrier speed is on those first two!

I wonder what the muzzle blast is like!!!

 

[Tarvis]

The muzzle blast on Poor folk's 11" pistol AR is rediculous, probably as bad or worse than a comped race gun.

 

[jad0110]

In regards to the first picture in post #1, I think someone left their AR Carbine in the dryer too long .