Quentin
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mshootnit, you are right that soldiers are brave. You are wrong saying there is a major problem with the M4. It works just fine thank you. You need to read objective tests on its reliability, it is surprising how reliable it is.
AR in 2012?
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high country
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Durty, the insight on what you like about your other guns is helpful. The .223 doesn't shoot as fast and flat as a .22-250, but it is still pretty flat. Where I like it hunting is when I am shooting prairie dogs a couple hundred yards out. I can use the dots in the scope to estimate range based on the standing height of the p-dog, then take shot and watch the bullet hit because a 20" HBAR upper with a weight in the stock has 0 recoil. If I am off, I can immediately correct for the next shot a fraction of a second later, before the target has a chance to move, without moving my body to manipulate the action. I have hunted prairie dogs with a bolt action (admittedly never a .22-250), and my success rate is much much higher with the AR.
I wouldn't buy one used unless I knew the seller pretty well... It is up to you on that one, but make sure you do your research to make sure what you are getting is what you want, and is really cheaper than buying new. If someone bought the gun in the last few years, they may be trying to recoup the ridiculous amount of money they spent on it. Prices of AR parts have come down in the last year or so, and I have seen a lot of used ARs with asking prices that are higher than what I could build it for out of new parts.
EDIT - I agree with the comments above - no gun purchases for a year?!? What if you sell something else that is taking up space in your safe? Did she agree not to buy any unnecessary fashion accessories, shoes, purses, or accent pillows (make no mistake my friend, those accent pillows cost more than you think)?
I wouldn't buy one used unless I knew the seller pretty well... It is up to you on that one, but make sure you do your research to make sure what you are getting is what you want, and is really cheaper than buying new. If someone bought the gun in the last few years, they may be trying to recoup the ridiculous amount of money they spent on it. Prices of AR parts have come down in the last year or so, and I have seen a lot of used ARs with asking prices that are higher than what I could build it for out of new parts.
EDIT - I agree with the comments above - no gun purchases for a year?!? What if you sell something else that is taking up space in your safe? Did she agree not to buy any unnecessary fashion accessories, shoes, purses, or accent pillows (make no mistake my friend, those accent pillows cost more than you think)?
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Durty
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Polar Express, I completely agree. It wasn't until she started feeling like she was playing 2nd fiddle to my obsession that I decided I could go 12 months without buying another gun. And in all truth, I can say I have never felt 2nd place to her shoes, purses, job, or friends. And she deserves the same. I am not saying I am strong enough to do it. But similar to other recovering addicts, I say, "I'm not sure if I am going to buy a gun tomorrow or next week. But I'm not going to buy one today!" Yet, at the same time, I have learned fantastic methods of justification over the years. So it wouldn't surprise me if a few months from now I open my safe and see a new shiney toy sitting there smiling at me...
Durty
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High Country- good information. Appreciate it. I didn't know prices on parts have come down in the past year. That will help my decision. It is difficult and daunting looking into something so foreign to me where the possibilities are endless. And hearing how easy it is to dump a bunch of cash into one is worrisome as well.
RockyMtnTactical
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Man, you gotta wait until 2012 to buy another gun? You have more self control than me...
madcratebuilder
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Some men are fools...others are single.
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My wife may roll hers eye's when she hears me mention prices, I just bring up her last weekend at the spa retreat.
lilquiz
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First of all an AR platform is very useful. It has many options for many calibers , not just 5.56. Second I and any married man here has felt your pain. I would like to inquire on just how bad your gun buying got. If you were cut down to none, it sounds like one of those comprimise things.Jst remember if you have an addiction... we will help you ,but we don't want to.
epijunkie67
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I didn't read the whole thread but consider this. Just because you get/build an AR doesn't mean it has to be .223. It doesn't have to be a high speed, low drag 16" carbine. What about a .50 upper or a 6.8 upper? A long range target rifle?
You wondered why you would need an AR I don't NEED most of the guns I own. Realistically, as long as you have something for self defense and something to hunt big and little critters with you don't NEED any more guns. I've got a lever 30-30 and another in 35 Remington. I don't need both of them but they are both fun so I keep both anyway.
The AR is very modular and lends itself to a variety of user customization. After getting one assembled you can change almost everything about it just by ordering uppers and parts through the mail. It can be one gun that is many guns. That alone is an excellent reason to need one.
You wondered why you would need an AR I don't NEED most of the guns I own. Realistically, as long as you have something for self defense and something to hunt big and little critters with you don't NEED any more guns. I've got a lever 30-30 and another in 35 Remington. I don't need both of them but they are both fun so I keep both anyway.
The AR is very modular and lends itself to a variety of user customization. After getting one assembled you can change almost everything about it just by ordering uppers and parts through the mail. It can be one gun that is many guns. That alone is an excellent reason to need one.
Quentin
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Well if you have to wait a year to buy an AR, there are positives: you get a year to research (DO IT!) and no doubt new rifles and components will be introduced. I don't know if prices will be better though, it seems they've already bottomed out.
Looking back to 2010, the lightweight midlength 14.5-16" barrels were the hot new thing. No doubt we'll see something break out this year.
Hey Durty, I've got an idea to help hold you over - stock up on ammo and magazines this year! The price is right, right now!
Looking back to 2010, the lightweight midlength 14.5-16" barrels were the hot new thing. No doubt we'll see something break out this year.
Hey Durty, I've got an idea to help hold you over - stock up on ammo and magazines this year! The price is right, right now!
Durty
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Yeah guys I was thinking very similar thoughts. I am going to bide my time filling my brain with lots of information that mostly comes from others' experience. And yes, Q, I will begin the process of mag/reloading component purchasing as soon as I figure out which one I will aquire. Junkie- you mentioned something that I have given thought to. Perhaps the idea of long range target shooting. I am very comfy at 400 yards with my 2 main hunting rifles and I am cozy at 300 with all the others, however, I have always simply known my cartridges well enough to make accurate holdover estimates. I enjoy very much popping balloons and punching through paper at those distances. But, reliably, I cannot hold over at distances much past 400 and feel very confident. Is now the time to begin learning how to properly "dial in" a target? I would imagine a 223 would be great for this because its cheap to shoot and you really have to learn correctly because the ballistic coefficients are pretty low. I would not use this set up for hunting except for the occasional pig, squirrel, or rabbit and I doubt I would have an opportunity to shoot any of those past 200 yards or so anyway. It would be a device used for learning and simple fun. I would also imagine that I could go with a relatively inexpensive AR for this purpose. I do like DPMS's 3/4 inch garuntee. Yall heard of anyone that have experience with their Bull 20 model? Of course good glass is necessary- at our place, I will be able to shoot 700 yards or so. Will I need a 30mm tube if this is the route I eventually take? Can a very reliable target scope be had for about $400? Again, all the input is greatly appreciated.
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As far as the battle at Wanat, it is hard to blame a weapon fired continuiously until it overheats. Not only the M4's but the M240's overheated as well. That sustained rate of fire is unusual and would be hard on any weapon, even a machine gun unless water cooled. In Nam I experienced a belt delinking on a M60. Portable handheld weapons of any kind have a limited sustained rate of fire. Until someone invents something better, which hasn't happened, it will have to do. From a real combat vet, not an armchair general.
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