Nope and take the "FUDD" comments elsewhere as they are counterproductive in the firearms community. I do shoot modern centerfire but I LIKE old stuff that not every fanboi is playing with. I don't do herds
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Actually, when I did it in my 20's, the Army thought I was an Armorer, and I had several certifications to that end. Of course it was more than a couple AR's I built.
Some do their own receivers, whether from 80% or a forging. Build, assemble, you're on the semantic edge.
While I agree that they build rifles, Where in the continuum does one go from builder to assembler? If they outsource the lock (or any part) as many do, are they a builder, or an assembler? If I make one part for an AR, am I a builder or an assembler?
And that's great. I like Muzzleloaders also, and have 'assembled' several of them as well as several AR's, AK's, and an FAL. (never again) But you must realize that your condescending attitude equates to Varminterror calling you a Fudd. Have you crafted your Muzzleloaders, to include locks and rifling, completely by your self? If so, you've certainly earned the moniker 'builder', and possibly a notch above many others, but the attitude, like the namecalling is counterproductive.
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Yet here you are, standing front and center on the float in the Fudd parade, banging the “asSEmBLiNg AR’s iS noT bUilDinG” drum...
And I make no claim to being more than a talented parts swapper. It's the herd mentality I make it a point to poke at from time to time. I've competed in NRA HP, 3Gun, USPSA, IDPA and IMHSA through the years and I've noticed a tendency, especially among new shooters, to diss those who like something other than the koolaide of the month espoused by the masses. So if somebody isn't into the latest black rifle fad/trend, is that person a "FUDD" who is the crazy uncle who should be kept locked in the closet? Some of us over the years have taken a liking to the road less traveled. I went back to muzzleloading/black powder for a number of reasons, among which is the direction the herd is currently heading.
I find many of the responses comical. People getting so very TRIGGERED, when I didn’t call out a single one,
Quite telling.
just because people are not impressed by your experience and opinion doesn’t mean they’re triggered.
while it’s true we have a lot more choices today, there were lots of choices back in 2005. In fact there was a huge increase in choices then because the Clinton AWB expired the prior year.
so you may not have been doing anything interesting but the forum here was full of cool builds, as was arfcom and m4carbine. That year I was playing with low profile adjustable gas blocks and suppressors, Recon barrels with mid length gas etc
And there was lots of instruction available though obviously the availability of broadband to support video was limited
generally I find your argument uncompelling and poorly reasoned. You provided no support for why your way was better. Usually if a large number of people converge on a configuration there’s a good reason for it. If you did something different, maybe you should explain why. Just being different is not automatically assumed to be a good thing.
basically all you’ve done is demonstrate a lack of knowledge of the market and insult everyone who isn’t you.
Ok, I'll go with that. Explain to me how what they do is different than any other shop that builds a gun....besides building really nice, and very neat replicas?
there is a difference between people who leave a pile of metal shavings on the floor during the process of creating a gun, vs those who create a gun from pre-made parts. However, the verb “build” is appropriately used in both cases. Pretty much everyone says “build an ar”. The fact that building an ar is easier than building other guns does not require us to change the word build to assemble.
Here is the dictionary definition of build:
I'll also agree with this statement upto a point...many new people in any hobby want to fit in, and what everyone is talking about is the easiest way, and well, follow the herd.
You also have the reversal of guys basically talking the exact same crap but from the other side of the line.
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20 round Gen1 PMags did have problems. The 30's seemed fine, but the 20's did have issues with follower binding, and misfeeds. I have fired at least 28,000 rounds in AR rifles, with zero misfeeds, except Gen1 Pmags. They simply didn't work in either of my fully in-spec rifles, or others I know. Around the time frame you mention, I remember lots of criticism of PMags, but exclusively the 20 round. 20 Round GI type mags were very hard to find, so to their credit, Magpul tried to accommodate the off the bench crowd, but those mags were bad. If your rifle doesn't work with the 30's, Its usually not a mag problem.
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I’m gonna count myself a proud fudd as well who doesn’t go along with the crowd. To wit, my muzzleloader:
Re: gen 1 pmags
I only had the 30 rounders but had a few spines crack. And the covers didn’t snap closed too well. I wound up selling them all during the obama panic
love the gen 2 ones though. Kinda wish I had gen 3 but it’s not worth upgrading for
I only had the 30 rounders but had a few spines crack. And the covers didn’t snap closed too well. I wound up selling them all during the obama panic
love the gen 2 ones though. Kinda wish I had gen 3 but it’s not worth upgrading for
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I like laughing at AR builders arguing while I figure out how to put an SVT-40 brake on one of my Norinco Hunters or making my own pins for barrel components out of nails and making bullet guides out of aluminum ground lugs. Moral of the story is if you are going to build/modify something do it to your own standards and enjoy it because everyone and their brother has the right and best way to do it and you are a fool for not doing it their way.
That thing is so fudd it's a *gasp* hipster!!!I dunno man, that one just looks confused........
Lol, kinda cool really, now if we could assemble a pump to mount that would actuate projectile+ powder/pellet charge drop and rod with an autoprime........brace yourself for the rapid fire smoke cloud at the range!!!
If your making straight pins, you might just buy a bunch of drill rod, it's cheap in bulk and way less work than turning nails. They also don't bend as easily.
I've got a supply just for that, and a tapper reamer and matching pins for stuff I needs to stop, or when trying to fix a out of round hole. I don't pin barrel components very often anymore tho.
entropy
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...and we laugh back heartily. Try LoonWulf's suggestion henceforth.
again, it’s ok to deviate if you did it for a good reason. If the nails you used are superior metallurgically to the commercially available pins then great. Explain that and we will all be smarter.
if you are really bored and just like dremeling that’s cool too. But doing things to your own standards just because is a horrible moral. I’d much prefer to use something a large number of people have tested and worked the bugs out of. Something with a TTP.
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I tried to figure out what the OP was really complaining about, but gave up. <yawn>
I think this one has run its course.
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