Are AK sights all bad?

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Thinking of getting either an AK or AR for my first centerfire rifle for fun and SHTF duty.

I keep hearing AR's have better ergonomics and sights, but are higher maintenance and pickier with ammo, while AK's have lousy sights but will eat anything ammo-wise and are easier to field strip and maintain.

I don't plan on adding optics right away, so the sights matter. Are AK sights really that bad, even on a higher-end AK such as Arsenal?

Thanks for the help. :)
 
Having one of each in my household, here's what I think of ergonomics and sights:

Sights
AK - Plain old irons (notch & post), work fine.
AR - Peep sight. Probably better for quicker acquisition and more accurate longer-range shooting. Suck in low light or against darker backgrounds.

Both are just fine, though, IMO.


Ergonomics
AK - Not uncomfortable, but you really have to lean into it and hunch over a little to look down the sights.
AR - Much more comfortable to hold, and the sights feel to be in a more natural position to me.
 
Once you get used to them, they work fine. I like them for lower-light situations more than an AR sights. People talking trash about them usually don't give them a chance.
 
My sights, though canted and smelling of cheap romanian crap, are quite decent.

I'm not going to talk about groups with my AK at 100 yards, but the paper does take a beating with little effort involved. I dunno why it gets such a bad rep, you know? After shooting at 300 yards, I wouldn't necessarily feel great about shooting that far, but it's doable. My limits at that range are more physical cuz I'm only a step above blind.
 
Fletcher,

Do you have the NATO buttstock, or the original buttstock on your AK? I've got a NATO buttstock which is a bit longer than the original and it works fine.
 
AK sights are pretty much identical from the crappiest WASR to the best Arsenal. The only exceptions are Valmets, Galils and some custom builds. They aren't total crap either. They're just your standard post and groove sights with wings on the front sight tower. Compared to a Mauser or a Carcano, AK sights are pretty good, but they're not the equal of the sights on most modern rifles.
 
Shooting out to 100 yards, I can hit the 8" gong with no problem with AK sights. Past that, and I'm limited by my eyesight.

Is that good? Well, considering that it's designed as a battle rifle, not a benchrest rifle, it's good enough for me. I sure wouldn't want to stand down range!
 
strat81 nailed it.

The AK is not your choice for drilling nickels at 200 yards. It wasn't designed for that, so it's not good at it.

However, within 100 yards you'll hit what you need to and hit it hard.

For shooting fun and SHTF, an AK is a good choice. Reliable, easy to use, forgiving, and punishing in its designed for range. Get it and don't think twice unless you're looking to snipe mice at distance.
 
AK sights are not the best.

The front sight is a round pin. This is the same type of sight the earlier AR and M16 used.
When the rifle was upgraded, they changed to a square sight so as to always have the eye focused on a flat face, instead of a round pin that reflects light and doesn't give a sharp sight picture.

The rear is the standard European type of non-windage, coarse elevation adjustment-only notch sight.
It's been long known that the barrel-mounted notch rear sight is the worst type sight, due to how the human eye works. While notch sights are the best for pistols, they are the worst for rifles.
The eye cannot focus on more then one thing at a time. Therefore you either see a nice sharply focused front sight or a focused rear sight.
The human eye CANNOT see both at the same time.

When sighting properly, the FRONT sight should be where your eye is focused.
This means the target will be blurry, and the rear sight will be blurry.
With a notch sight on a rifle, you have to continually change eye focus, from front to rear, to keep sight alignment, and this makes it slower and more difficult to use.
The situation is MUCH worse for older shooters, since the eyes begin to loose flexibility of fast focusing and if you're near sighted, the sights will both be blurry.

Peep or aperture sights are the best, which is why virtually every military rifle in the world now uses them.
The rear aperture is looked THROUGH, and the eye focuses on the front sight.
The rear appears to be a ghostly blur, thus the catchy new name "Ghost Ring" sights.
Since the eye only has to focus on one thing, the front sight, the sights are faster and easier to use.
In addition, the aperture rear tends to "Fool" the eye by making the front sight appear more sharply focused.
Target shooters take advantage of this by using an adjustable aperture device that fits on eye glasses.
By adjusting the aperture, the sights can be made to appear sharper and more defined.

The AK sights have only coarse adjustments for elevation, but fine sighting-in adjustments are possible by using the front sight to fine-tune the rifle for you.
Since few people shoot the AK at ranges much over 100 yards the lack of fine elevation or windage adjustments are not that important.

If the AK was a design intended for high accuracy, the sights would be totally inappropriate, but since it's a close range battle rifle, the sights are not as limiting.
So, bottom line, the AK sights are poor, but quite usable, especially if you're young and have good eyesight.
They are not as fast to use, or as precise as modern aperture sights, and the sights are one reason the AK has a reputation of being an less then accurate rifle.
Since the sights and trigger pull are major contributor's to practical versus mechanical accuracy, bad sights give lesser accuracy.
 
Well, since I'm not too worried about anything beyond 100 yards, and I like the idea of a low-maint rifle, I'm leaning to the AK. Thanks all for the feedback.
 
AK sights

are rugged combat sights. They are cheap to make and simple to adjust. B Square makes a very strong adjustment tool kit that won't break on you like the cheap arsed Chicom versions.

They are meant to be sighted in for the issue ammo and then left alone in that regard.

With ammo that my AK likes, I can keep rounds within 3" to 5" at 100 yards depending on which AK I am shooting. The 5.45x39 varients (74's) shoot a little tighter for me.

They are designed for a maximum range of 300 meters.

Shoot with both eyes open, using your dominate eye to sight the rifle - this gives you more light and although a little weird at first if you're not used to this but it will result in better groupings.

The other thing to do is to install a red star fire control group - this is a fully adjustable group - you can have single or two stage at any weight.
 
$18 add a peep rear sight to any AK
The problems with this are either maintaining zero, or speed of acquisition, depending on whether you're mounting the sight on the dustcover, or replacing the stock rear sight with a peep. Dustcover mounts are not stable, and the peep that far from your eye is slower than a peep at the "proper" distance.

That said, the replacement peep mounted at the stock sight position is waaaaaay better than the as-issued sight, and it's not THAT slow. If I was looking for a simple iron-sight fix, that's the route I would go.

Mike
 
AK sights work fine, it's just that most people do lots better, and thus like, peep sights, and I would have to agree with them.Peeps are quite fast, accurate, and intuitive to use.Probly doesn't hurt that I learned how to shoot rifles on a single shot .22 when I was young and doing indoor .22 competition from great husband/wife team NRA instructors and at NRA sponsored competitions.Too bad I'm not nearly as good a shot as I was back then....... :eek::banghead: I still have my trophy from hitting 5 mothballs, suspended by string, at 50 ft standing. May not sound too hard, but mothballs are pretty small, and once you blast the first one, the othrs start to swing a bit....man I miss doing that....
 
Through about equal round counts, I'd say my old AK jammed as many times as my AR-15 did, though the AR-15 jams are related to a single range series that began with a rather mysterious ammunition failure (a round that had no flash hole in the primer pocket, can you believe that?). AR-15s, like the 1911, suffer so the reputation for poor reliability because they are made by tons of different manufacturers who are all trying to make them some kind of hybrid between a target gun and a combat weapon. When left alone with normal tolerances, AR-15s are quite reliable.

Anyway, I personally think the AR is a better rifle to learn basic marksmanship skills with due to the superior ergonomics, sights, and accuracy. It's a better way to get feedback as to whether or not what you're doing is working well.
 
If you get a chance to hold each or even better, fire each, it will be easier for you to make a choice.

I don't think that the rap about reliability for the AR series is always justified, but then I handload and don't experience a whole lot of issues in that regard. Neither do I think the accuracy indictments on the AK are all that justified either. I can hit a gallon milk jug nearly every time with my fixed stock Yugo AK at 300 yards from a kneeling position. You just gotta beware of "sight cant" as if that long towered sight moves even the slightest from pure vertical your shots will go elsewhere.

I like the AK as it fits me better than the AR, and I have become quite accustomed to it. Again, that is a personal preference and the only way to arrive at a preference is to try them both.

Another option that may be worth examining is one of the Hk roller locked rifles or clones. Most folks seem to do quite well with those iron sights.
 
+1 on the Kobra sight, also check out red star arms they make a few good after market AK rear sight.
 
I wouldn't say any of them are "great", but they do the job. I put Mojo peep sights on my SLR-95 and I really like that set up.
 
I like the Galil setup - AK with peep sights, better accuracy, better ergonomics.

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AK sights are exactly the same as any other open sights, except that people like to complain about them when they're on an AK, and think they're fine if they're on a bolt action rifle.

Aperture sights are good also. Once familiarized, you'll do equally well with either type.

One AR and one AK is a good place to start. If you find a deal on a nice one, go for it whether it's an AR or an AK.
 
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