Are all Lee pro 1000's this difficult to deal with, or is it just mine?

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I reloaded over 1000 .45 ACP rounds this weekend on my Lee Pro 1000 and in addition used it to deprime 1500 more .45 ACP small primer brass that had primer crimps so I could process them before reloading. The only issues I had were the ones that I caused by not using the press correctly.

My advice for a new Pro 1000 user:
-(1) Become very familiar with each stage of reloading. Not just what happens to the case/round in that stage but how the press makes it happen. Once you understand this see numer 2.
-(2) Learn to feel each stage. Do a couple hundred rounds just on stage one (remove the other dies and no primers in the tray), become familiar with the feel you get through the press when something is right and wrong. Same with stage two (remove the depriming/resizing die and no seat/crimp die). Some primer pockets are tighter than others and different primers are different sizes and are harder metal. That is why Lee reccomends not using Federal primers as they are the softest and could detonate, CCI's are at the top for hardness. Repeat instructions for stage 3.
-(3) Now you've masterd #2, IF IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT STOP!!!! Don't force it, stop and find out what is wrong. Stopping to recorrect something for 30 seconds will keep you from stopping to reset and fix something that may take 30min - 1 hour.

Good luck!
 
They're all that way. The friggin things are generic junk!
I had 2 of them and they were both absolute garbage.
Sold them and bought 4 dillons-650, 2-550's and a square deal.
Haven't had a problem in 15 years!
 
chrisgo - They're all that way. The friggin things are generic junk!
I had 2 of them and they were both absolute garbage.
Sold them and bought 4 dillons-650, 2-550's and a square deal.
Haven't had a problem in 15 years!
How nice for you. Thanks for stopping by.
 
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I had a Pro 1000 a few years ago and it always gave me a heck of a time. You have to learn the quarks.

I ended up pumping out about 1k rounds of 45acp and sold the press. I then bought a Hornady Classic & Hornady LNL. The LNL is 1000000x easier to setup and to maintain.
 
FWIW, many shooters used to say people new to pistols should always start with revolvers because with semi-autos, you had to contend with jamming and could not depend your life on them working reliably.

For some reason, I don't hear those comments anymore directed at new shooters ... I guess humans must have evolved to work wirh "complexities" of semi-auto pistols. :rolleyes:

For me, I would liken the Pro 1000 press as one of semi-autos that has particularly tighter chamber barrel with quicker start of rifling which requires the use of slightly more taper crimp and shorter cartridge lengths. Just because of these features, it does not mean the pistol is a useless junk but that the reloader for such a pistol have the awareness of the pistol's characteristics.

My railed Sig 1911 is such and I have learned to successfully reload for it. I have also learned to successfully operate my 3 Pro 1000 presses and taught many people to reload on them (my last 2 students were ladies in their 40's and 50's even ;)).


Of course, your milege may vary depending on which side of the bed you get out each day.

Peace.
 
The lee 1000 is a Great System... any new Loader will take some time to get dialed in and set up... i have 3 of them and all just took a few minutes to set up..

im trying to learn about reloading, not being a smart A here- why would someone have more than one press? to do different calibers i'd imagine? is it that much trouble to change the dies out (or whatever it is you have to do to switch calibers)? because geez that must really be a pain to switch them if its easier to buy a whole 'nother press..what am i missing here?
 
It takes alot of time to get a load dialed in. From press and die setup to load testing, etc.
For some, the time wasted re-dialing in for a different caliber is not worth it.
For those with the disposable income, it's probably a good fit for the lifestyle.

If i could afford it, id buy another progressive for my 223 loads.
Hell if i had enough money i would buy one for my large pistol also.
 
oh. geez it must really take awhile. all of this is kind of hard to grasp without actually having a press to try anything on...maybe reading is only gona edumacate me so much
 
Potatohead said:
why would someone have more than one press? to do different calibers
Because this is a great and free country!

Why does anyone need more than one gun or car? :D

Those of us who have more than one press do simply because we can and make us enjoy our hobby/passion of reloading that much more.

In fact, I even have 3 reloading benches ... 1 in the garage, 1 in the reloading room and 1 in my wife's woman cave. :D
 
awesome. sounds good. but for the people who have an extra press because of long die changes, how long do those die changes take or how much trouble are those die changes on a scale of 1 to 10? 10 being ridiculously difficult
 
awesome. sounds good. but for the people who have an extra press because of long die changes, how long do those die changes take or how much trouble are those die changes on a scale of 1 to 10? 10 being ridiculously difficult
Depending on what type of load you are doing has more to do with it then caliber. For those that find that "perfect" load they have some time into dialing in powder drop, over all length, and crimp.

I have a single stage that I use my for my rifle loads. I like to take my time with them and may spend an hour on 20 or 30 loads. But this is for persise loads. I have a lee LCT that I really like and do my handgun loads on that. I don't load max loads and have found what works for me. I had a lee loadmaster (real old one) and sold it about a 8 months ago with the intention on getting a Horandy or a Dillon. Prices went nuts so I am holding off for now. I would easily add one or two more LCT's but a progressive will give me more rounds per hour for my handguns so will probably hold out for that.

But my basic answer is more presses means more convienance when it comes to reloading. Don't have to have more then one but sure is nice.
 
It takes alot of time to get a load dialed in. From press and die setup to load testing, etc.
For some, the time wasted re-dialing in for a different caliber is not worth it.
For those with the disposable income, it's probably a good fit for the lifestyle.

If i could afford it, id buy another progressive for my 223 loads.
Hell if i had enough money i would buy one for my large pistol also.
Exactly.... I have swapped before and its not worth my time and effort...

i like to sit down and Load..... and if i choose 9mm or .357 I can do em at basicaly the same time..

Now it would probobly take 10-15 minutes ta change over.... and around $100 for alternate dies and turret and plate.... and then 10-15 to change it back....

well for Me... ill spend the xtra $70 and just roll my chair... and over time the saving will pay for itself... well Not really... does our time ever equate in to savings in reloading...HAHAHA

But thats me....
 
Potatohead said:
how long do those die changes take or how much trouble are those die changes on a scale of 1 to 10? 10 being ridiculously difficult
This is where Pro 1000 shines as caliber change is fast and lowest cost of any progressive presses.

I even have separate Pro Auto Disk powder measures so for 9mm to 40S&W caliber change that uses the same #19 shell plate, I don't even need to change the disk holes. I do the following:

- Remove small case feeder, case slider and Z bar
- Disconnect Pro Auto Disk
- Remove 3-hole turret with 9mm dies
- Install 3-hole turret with 40S&W dies
- Attach Pro Auto Disk
- Install large case feeder, case slider and bent Z bar

That's it for 9mm to 40S&W caliber change and I am ready to load again in about 5 minutes.

For 9mm/40S&W to 45ACP caliber change, the shell plate requires change from #19 to #2 and primer attachment from small to karge, so add a few more minutes.
 
True sir... true

i dunt DO .40 YET...

again.. im impatient... so I have 3 loaders....LOL

But thats my Limit..... Ill swap out .45 in my .357 WHEN i get a .45.... When i say WHEN... I NEED.. not want.. NEED a 1911

:)
 
In addition to the info already posted in this thread, I found this guys videos helpful in figuring out my pro1000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vamA6qrMFwE As others have posted, I get the best results when I get into a rhythm with it, but there are some times when I think the thing is possessed, which usually means there's some powder that got somewhere it shouldn't have. I have a small compressor and blow out around the primer area when necessary. Yes you have to learn the press, how to take it apart, and how it works, along with maybe a few simple mods like smoothing out the primer chute. I guess that's one of the trade offs for the low price versus the other progressives.
 
I kind of just gave up on priming on press with 9mm, but have 3 Lee Pro 1000 presses dedicated to my top 3 calibers. I figure I can prime ahead at my leisure and pound loads out when I need them.

I don't use them enough to feel good about the priming on press. 45acp has small primers, 9mm has crimped primers, and .38 special has .357.

The presses them selves work very well. The powder dispensers are fantastic for the powders I use.
 
Are all Lee pro 1000's this difficult to deal with, or is it just mine?

Well, I can't say "ALL" because I haven't reloaded on ALL of them.

But yes, my Pro1000 was that difficult as well.
I spent waaaayyyyy more time fiddling with it, than actual reloading time.
I sold mine & bought a Dillon RL-550B.
3 years later & I still LOVE my blue press.

But I REALLY lucked out.
I heard of someone who was selling a 550 that sat unopened for 17 years. (paid $150 for it.)
Original receipt was in the box, dated 1993
 
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Originally Posted by hentown
Any money you think you're saving with those crappy Lee progressives, you'll spend on Valium. Get a real progressive, and that would mean a progressive made by ANY manufacturer other than Lee.

hentown, please do consider this in the spirit of the "High Road" ... Do you know why people start threads like "I bought this XYZ equipment and I can't get it to work properly"?

Because for whatever reason, they already bought the equipment and now they are asking for our assistance. Simply posting that they should have bought another brand press as a solution is like telling someone with a flat tire they should have bought a different brand tire - absolutely no help to the person with the flat tire get back on the road.

Your experience with Lee presses may have indeed been negative and I am sorry to hear that. However, there are many of us who overcame the issues that are inherent to Lee Pro 1000 and successfully use them on an ongoing basis.

Public forums like THR exist so helpful information can be shared on the wonderful network called the "internet" and support threads like the Pro 1000 Problems/Solutions exist to help others overcome the same issues we have learned to resolve.

Imagine a new user of Dillon press posting the problem of powder measure drifting and the reply was, "If you bought a Lee press, fixed volumetric Pro Auto Disk powder measure won't drift." How would that reply help the Dillon press user? No, it would absolutely not help. Instead, another Dillon user suggesting to check powder measure drops every 50-100 cycles will.

Peace.

I dont really agree with this. Im sure some guys are savoy enough to get one running right. More power to you. But you in my opinion do a disservous to a biginner by braggin on those lee press. Id bet 1/2 or more of the people that buy them get so frustrated with them that there stuck in a closet or sold for half what they bought them for. Yup a dillon or honady will give you an occasional headache but not one every time you load a few rounds. I speak from experience as ive to bought into the try to save money idea when i first went progressive and bought a pro 1000 and a loadmaster. Thankfully there just bad dreams now. Ill finish saying this. Anyone that compares the troubles with a lee to the troubles with a dillon has NEVER loaded on a dillon. Its like comparing a yugo to a porche. Now all you lee lovers can come and gang up on me all you like but Ive been there and done that so its going in one ear and out the other ;) Also if your riding hentown for not contributing anything worthwhile to answer the original posters question you might want to read your own post;)
 
Lloyd Smale said:
Id bet 1/2 or more of the people that buy them get so frustrated with them that there stuck in a closet or sold for half what they bought them for. Yup a dillon or honady will give you an occasional headache but not one every time you load a few rounds.

I speak from experience ... and bought a pro 1000 and a loadmaster ... Ill finish saying this. Anyone that compares the troubles with a lee to the troubles with a dillon has NEVER loaded on a dillon.
Lloyd, anyone familiar with my posts should know that I started reloading when I began shooting USPSA matches about 19 years ago. My reloading/shooting mentor was a seasoned Bullseye match shooter and he trained me on both Dillon 550B and Pro 1000 after we covered the reloading basics on a single stage press.

He covered the pro's and con's of each press and we range tested 9mm/45ACP Montana Gold Bullet loads which were my match calibers at that time. Although my inclination was towards the more expensive Dillon press, when I asked my mentor why he also loaded his match loads on the cheaper Pro 1000, he talked about the powder measure on the Dillon "drifting" while the fixed disk holes on the Pro 1000 did not. He taught me that accuracy came from reloading consistency and weighed and grouped bullets by same/less than 1 grain weight and preferred powder charge variance of less than 0.1 grains to qualify for "his" match loads. Yes, I started my USPSA match loads with same sorted head stamp cases, cleaned primer pockets and hand primed primers .004" below flush.

When we range tested the match loads loaded on both Dillon 550B and Pro 1000 presses at 10, 15, 25 and 50 yards, the shot groups were comparable. When I asked my mentor why as I expected the Dillon loads to be more accurate, he said my match guns couldn't tell the difference as long as the reloading components were consistent in my finished rounds. ;)

I ended up buying the Pro 1000 kit from MidwayUSA thinking I would just spend $140 initially while I saved money for Dillon 650/1050 (I did not like the manual index feature of 550B) but my match loads did well enough for me to climb the local USPSA match ladder above 80 percentile in Limited/Limited 10/Production. I was curious and did comparison match load testing with loads loaded on other brand progressive presses but other match shooters were surprised when my Pro 1000 loads outshot some of their match loads. To figure out why, we all went to each others houses and verified powder charge weights and OAL, etc. (we used unsorted/unweighed Montana Gold bullets for these comparison range tests).

What we found that seemed to be the greatest contributing factor was the powder measure drifting. In a typical reloading session of 1000 rounds, some of the Dillon presses drifted by more than several tenth of grain and most users of Dillon presses admitted they checked powder drops every 100 cycles (some even more frequently). When I told other match shooters I only needed to verify the first several powder charges from Pro Auto Disk for consistency and the fixed disk holes dropped with less than .1 gr consistency without drifting with Bullseye/Clays/Titegroup/WST/W231/Universal/WSF/HS-6 powders even after 2000+ round reloading session, some of the match shooters considered checking the powder drops more frequently and a few even considered using the Pro Auto Disk.

Now all you lee lovers can come and gang up on me all you like but Ive been there and done that so its going in one ear and out the other Also if your riding hentown for not contributing anything worthwhile to answer the original posters question you might want to read your own post
This is THR and not every Lee press thread has to end with "Dillon/Hornady is the solution". As I have previously posted, I do not claim the Pro 1000 to be the "best" progressive press out there - Far from it. Is it for everyone? No. But if a particular reloader looking for a progressive press for multiple pistol/short rifle calibers doesn't have the money to buy Dillon/Hornady presses with caliber changes, Pro 1000 offers a viable progressive reloading option.

Don't get me wrong. Had I never met my reloading mentor who showed me the virtues of Pro 1000, I probably would have never considered one and bought either the Dillon 550 or the 650 as they are great progressive presses. I have the financial stability now to be able to afford to buy whatever press I want but do like loading on Pro 1000 enough that I now have 3 set ups for 9mm, 40S&W and 45ACP. Instead of adding 2 more Pro 1000 set ups in the tune of $380, I could have bought a Dillon 550 or LNL AP but after some consideration, I chose to go with having two more dedicated press stations so I can load each caliber without doing any caliber change work. I prefer to load .223/.308 on the C-H 205 single stage press or the Classic Turret (Hey, it's a great country! :D).

Last year, I seriously considered buying a Hornady LNL AP but the problem was I couldn't decide between the Dillon 650 vs the LNL AP. Whenever I think about "upgrading" from the Pro 1000/Classic Turret presses, my wife would ask me, "But honey, will it load more accurate loads?" I had to ponder and admit that it probably won't. But the 500 free bullet offer with the LNL AP press is tempting and I may consider pulling the trigger. :D.

If you started your progressive reloading experience with Pro 1000 and moved on, that's fine. If you want to warn other reloaders to stay away from Pro 1000 based on your experience, that's fine too. This is a free public forum that permits freedom of opinion. But when the posts are made that claim the Pro 1000 is simply "junk" and the only solution is buying another progressive press in the face of quite a few Lee Precision reloaders who learned to make the Pro 1000 work for them, now that's not so "High Road".

Peace.
 
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I have no doubts you can make match quality ammo on a lee. Its not a matter of quality its a matter of how many a average guy can make before his press goes wacko. A 550 isnt the fastest press in the world but i can load for 12 hours a day for a week and have nothing go wrong. Have you seen a lee that can do that? I also own three lnl progressives and alothough i think there much better the the lees they still take twice as much fooling around to keep running then my 550 does or the 5 square deals i had before i lost them in a fire. Ive loaded on dillons of one sort or another for 20 years and the ONLY time ive ever seen powder charges wander is if using a flake or stick powder. I load all my competitive pistol ammo with ball powders or bullseye the dillons are spot on for that. Bottom line is anything i need to load with stick powders isnt done progresively anyway. Ill close with this and to keep this post from getting out of hand i wont respond anymore. Id bet my house that more competitive ammo is loaded in the US on dillon presses then all other brands combined. If they were inferior i doubt people like brian enos that makes his living off competitive shooting would be pushing them.
 
Lloyd Smale said:
Id bet my house that more competitive ammo is loaded in the US on dillon presses then all other brands combined. If they were inferior i doubt people like brian enos that makes his living off competitive shooting would be pushing them.
Yes, I would too.

I have no doubts you can make match quality ammo on a lee.
Yes, it's not only possible but many match shooters I know do that.

Its not a matter of quality its a matter of how many a average guy can make before his press goes wacko.
My experience has been that my level of understanding/competency improves with greater time spent on a gun or equipment unless user error/abuse of equipment/improper alteration is factored in. This is THR and in the "High Road" fashion, I try to provide the new users of Pro 1000 the critical "need to know" information about Pro 1000 so they can get over the learning curve hump and overcome the issues to prevent their Pro 1000 from going "wacko".

For a typical reloading session of 500-1000+ rounds, once the shell plate timing is set and Pro 1000 parts are properly cleaned/lubed, it should continue to operate unless "something out of ordinary" occurs. Typically that's primer feed attachment ramp running dry of primers, shell plate timing not set properly, or press mechanism forced to cycle damaging the index gear parts/primer feed attachment surfaces which will certain affect how well the press operates thereafter. The key is preventative maintenance of proper cleaning and lubrication which applies to all progressive presses to function/operate properly.

I have taught and helped quite a few reloaders on Pro 1000 and when they follow the proper setup, lube and operation procedures, the press functions. I have also helped quite a few Pro 1000 users who had problems and the root causes were typically due to lack of understanding of progressive press operations, lack of proper cleaning/lubrication of press parts, improper shell plate timing, and not fully cycling the ram lever. Pro 1000 is simply just another progressive press that goes up and down while rotating the shell plate on the carrier. Yes, the gravity based primer feed attachment may not drop a primer into station #2 IF there are factors that prevent that from happening but the user of Pro 1000 can keep an eye on the column of primers and when that doesn't happen, remedy the situation.


Lloyd, the OP asked "Are all Lee Pro 1000's this difficult to deal with, or is it just mine?"

Well, Lee Precision doesn't make good Pro 1000s for some reloaders and crappy Pro 1000s for other reloaders. Some claim that Pro 1000 is just a pile of crappy parts slapped together. If that's the case, how can some of the piles of crap operate properly? :scrutiny: The fact that some users are able to successfully use their Pro 1000 on a regular basis (even for some new users) may point to the fact that how well a particular Pro 1000 press functions may be dependent on the user of the press.

For whatever the reason, there are owners of Pro 1000 (like Chevy and Ford owners ... personally I am a Chevy/Buick person) and we are simply trying to help these owners better operate their Pro 1000 so they can enjoy their hobby/passion of reloading and shooting. Arguing about how various features of the Pro 1000 could be better compared to another press won't help the owners of Pro 1000 resolve their problems. Detailing how to resolve individual problems based on actual successful personal/firsthand experience will but past owners of Pro 1000 talking about how they could not get their presses to operate properly won't.

If you are trying to decrease the shot group size with a particular brand/model of pistol, would you listen to someone who can't even hit the target at 15-25 yards with the same pistol? I didn't think so. However, you probably would pay attention to someone who can produce sub 3" shot groups with the same pistol on a consistent basis as the shooter must be doing something right. To the users of Pro 1000 who are experiencing problems, I suggest you listen to actual users of Pro 1000 who learned to successfully operate their presses and not to the ones who never managed to operate their Pro 1000 reliably. It is irrelevant what progressive presses they are currently using or the brand of car they drive to the range. Think about it. ;)

Peace.
 
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There are plenty of threads that are titled, "Funny thing happened at the range today" ... with stories of squib rounds, double charges, KaBooms and blown up pistols/rifles involving cartridges not necessarily loaded on Lee presses.

Reloading on progressive presses require understanding of reloading basics and safety principles regardless what brand press you use.
 
I guess where i differ from some is that reloading and shooting and casting bullets are my only hobbys. I dont have snowmobiles anymore, sold my vette, sold my harley and consentrate on shooting. I want to do it on the best equiptment i possibly can. I chuckle at some who will buy a lee press to save some money but dont think twice about spending 400 bucks on some chrome for there truck or harley. To me the exta a dillon or even hornady cost is money well spent just in the reduced frustration.
 
How do you lose 5 SDBs in a fire?

I'd expect dillans to turn that charred metal chunk into 5 new presses. No BS.

Sent from my CZ85 Combat
 
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