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I'm interested in owning a flintlock like what a Minuteman would have carried. I'm not entirely sure what they carried at this point. My research tells me they carried either a "Pennsylvania/Kentucky/Long Rifle" or a "Hawken Rifle".

I'm not interested in a Relic or collectible. I want a working-class flintlock that I can hunt with and such. I'm wondering if I have to spend a fortune to get one.

Does anyone know of any Manufactures/Build-a-gun kits/prices or links on this stuff?

thanks in advance.
 
First, the Hawken post dates the American Revolution by about 70 years.

Second, the Pennsylvania rifle gets the credit but the plain old musket did the work. Less glamorous, though.

Track of the Wolf and Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading are good sources.
Dixie Gun Works is the granddaddy of repro muzzleloading.
 
You could get into it small or large dependent on your budget,

These people sale some nice stuff:

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/487/1

These are my favorite people;

http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/blackpowder-rifles.html

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/default.php?cPath=22_92_186_190&osCsid=oc15v91sjjieeph3jo0qra6mn0

Then you have the more custom rifles;

http://www.tennesseevalleymuzzleloading.com/


Then you have the top of the line customs, rifles that will knock your socks off;

http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2014/10/rifle-by-steve-boyleston.html

All are muzzleloaders being currently built. Its just depends on how much you want to spend.
 
The most common individual firearm of the Revolution was the Brown Bess musket, or a locally made copy, or a French Charleville, sent to the colonies by their French allies. (The French didn't give a hoot about American independence, but they were enemies of the British, and anything that hurt the British helped them.)

Good reproductions of both muskets have been made and I think some are still on the market. Of, course, second hand ones are always turning up for sale. Try Google for some.

I recommend as correct a reproduction as possible; it will cost more than one of the junk guns that are available, but I think it will give better satisfaction to someone who wants to get a feel of what our predecessors carried in those days.

To clarify a bit. The Minutemen were members of the local militia, sponsored by the (British) government. The government supplied them with previous generation muskets, not much inferior to those in the hands of the regular army. Those arms were kept in a "magazine" or armory, and were crown property, not the property of individual members of the militia. The war began when the army was ordered to secure the arms to prevent their use by the American rebels.

Jim
 
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If I were getting into muzzleloading I would want an Officers Fusil which a well to do colonial might use.
Handier than the bayonet handle known as a common musket or the stocked crowbar of a Pennsylvania.
 
Thankyou for the info, definitely some good stuff to look over.

As for ammo and caliber, is there a recommended caliber? Do most people cast their own?
 
Many who answered the alarm would have been armed with a smoothbore fowler. Today we call it a single barrel shotgun.

A fowler is capable of shooting birdshot or a ball, so it will kill doves, ducks, and deer.

Its not as popular among the current crowd of potential buyers as a rifle is, but historically correct for a farmer, tradesman, or longhunter of the 13 colonies.

Track Of The Wolf's catalog offers a nice variety of French and English fowler designs. Most are 20 gauge, which can also fire a .600 RB patched with pillow-ticking and effective to about 75 yards.

Another fine source is TVM, Tennessee Valley Muzzleloaders in Corinth, MS http://www.tennesseevalleymuzzleloading.com/#!fowler-rifle/c17j3

The Caywood Brothers also provide smoothbore & rifles for sale. http://www.caywoodguns.com

I was a dealer for Caywood & TVM for about 15 years, and the parts & work are 100% American-made. They hold resale value very well, and are a good investment. Their rifles of the period are also excellent quality firearms.

I sold a TVM Virginia style rifle in 2000 for $450. I bought it back from the customer in 2008 for $650, and sold it for $900.:)

Fowlers were less expensive than rifles so more would be likely among the "working-class" in the 18th century.

If you want an American-made, historically-correct 18th century (new) firearm, it will start at $900 and go up. Delivery can be immediate or from 5 to 12 months, depending on the workload.

Factory-made rifles & smoothbores made overseas have to "cut corners" on design to make them able to be mass-produced, so authentic styling and design suffer.

Hope this helps. Previous posts are right on the money.
 
To clarify a bit. The Minutemen were members of the local militia, sponsored by the (British) government. The government supplied them with previous generation muskets, not much inferior to those in the hands of the regular army. Those arms were kept in a "magazine" or armory, and were crown property, not the property of individual members of the militia. The war began when the army was ordered to secure the arms to prevent their use by the American rebels.

Ummmmm........I live in Massachusetts. I lived for a number of years in Concord, where it all started. Today I live two towns away from Concord. There is a lot of information available about the militias and the Minute Men and the Battle of Lexington and Concord.

The muskets used by the Minute Men were their personal possessions, not issued by the government and not crown possessions. Isaac Davis of Acton, one of the first men to die at the bridge in Concord, was a gunsmith who had made his own musket and supplied each of the men in his company with a bayonet. There were gunsmiths like him in every town, and there were gunsmiths and merchants in Boston with large inventories of firearms. In the weeks after the Powder Alarm in September of 1774, and before martial law was declared in Massachusetts, it has been estimated that as many as 100 muskets and pistols per day flowed out of Boston into the hands of the militias.

Militias in New England go back much further than the Revolution, they go back to the founding of the New England colonies, 1620 for the Plymouth Colony and 1628 for the Massachusetts Bay Colony. In those days the colonies acted almost completely independently of the Mother Country, running their own affairs, including raising militias. Colonial militias were very democratic, the officers were elected by the members of the militia. Local militias were very active in King Phillip's War from 1675 -1678, fully one hundred years before the Revolution. By the time of the Revolution, the only place where the British Government held any sway was in Boston itself, which was occupied by British troops. In the country outside of Boston, sentiments ran strongly against the British and what few Tories there were kept silent for their own safety. The various town militias most certainly were not sponsored by the official (British) government at this time.

Minute Men were the cream of the crop of the militia, less than 30 years old and selected for their political beliefs and enthusiasm. They were the rapid deployment force of the day, ready to turn out rapidly 'at a minute's notice'.

What happened at Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775 was the British sent a force out of Boston to confiscate rebel arms, powder, and supplies that had been stockpiled in Concord. I used to live just down the road from the Barrett Farm, where many of the muskets as well as some purloined cannons were hidden in the fields. The Regulars defeated a small force of militia on the green of Lexington at dawn. Then they marched on to Concord about six miles away. A small scouting party had crossed the bridge over the Concord River and reached the Barrett Farm, but they did not succeed in finding the arms hidden there. The scouting party made their way back to the bridge when they realized that hundreds of Minute Men and militia were forming up to meet them. The shooting started at the bridge and the colonists drove the Regulars all the way back to Boston in a running skirmish that lasted the rest of the day.


As for modern replicas of the muskets used in the Revolution, here are a couple.


http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_186_190&products_id=957

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_186_190&products_id=956
 
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Second, the Pennsylvania rifle gets the credit but the plain old musket did the work. Less glamorous, though.

I agree there, but go overseas and mention "The Kentucky Rifle" and they all know exactly what you're talking about. :)
 
Do not forget the "Committee of Safety" muskets. Made by many gunsmiths and usually unmarked.
 
Jefferson came to note because of his "On taking up arms in Virginia"

In Virginia the people had actually agreed to a special tax to provide an armory and guns in it at Williamsberg. When the crown claimed that the people, as a militia, had no right to those guns on demand, that is when the words started flying.

Colonial Williamsberg Foundation maintains a well stocked Arsenal on site, supposedly the building in the original arguments.

This might be the cause of the confussion.

-kBob
 
How about the Colt repro Civil War rifled muskets sold as Colt Signature Series? Think they are 58 caliber.
 
Calibers were not well standardized in those days except by armies that issued ammo.
The British Brown Bess was a .75 and the French Charleville was a .69. Both were common during the Revolution but likely because of aid from the French, the US standard musket was a .69 until the rifle musket came along in 1855.

Rifles could be about anything from a .31 squirrel rifle to a .62 Jaeger. Didn't matter much, in those days you bought the mould with the gun.
Modern reproductions are pretty well standardized and you can get one of a few calibers and buy storebought balls for it.

Fowlers and fusils varied as widely as rifles.
Get one now and it will likely be a .62 (20 ga) or .58 (24 ga).
 
While Hawken was a gun maker back in the East in the late 1700's and was Flintlock in those days they were still basically following the traditional Penn / kent style long rifles.
They didn't really come into their own until they relocated to St. Louis and really started building the Hawken Mountain rifles of the great west. These were by then Percussions.

Pedersoli makes several Flintlock versions.
Lyman makes them too and some in kit form

You can search Possible shop, Dixie Gun Works Gun works of Oregon

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/guns-for-sale-pedersoli.asp?l=en homepage

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/tipologia-prodotti.asp/l_en/idt_47/rifles-1777-revolutionnaire.html one flintlock

http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/muzzle-loaders/ home page/

If you want more authenticity in styling, go with Trade or great plains

http://dixiegun.com/ home page dixie has been around long time

http://possibleshop.com/menu-muzzleloading.html muzzleloading page

http://www.thegunworks.com/ they are really good people to work
 
Ummmmm........I live in Massachusetts. I lived for a number of years in Concord, where it all started. Today I live two towns away from Concord. There is a lot of information available about the militias and the Minute Men and the Battle of Lexington and Concord.

The muskets used by the Minute Men were their personal possessions, not issued by the government and not crown possessions. Isaac Davis of Acton, one of the first men to die at the bridge in Concord, was a gunsmith who had made his own musket and supplied each of the men in his company with a bayonet. There were gunsmiths like him in every town, and there were gunsmiths and merchants in Boston with large inventories of firearms. In the weeks after the Powder Alarm in September of 1774, and before martial law was declared in Massachusetts, it has been estimated that as many as 100 muskets and pistols per day flowed out of Boston into the hands of the militias.

Militias in New England go back much further than the Revolution, they go back to the founding of the New England colonies, 1620 for the Plymouth Colony and 1628 for the Massachusetts Bay Colony. In those days the colonies acted almost completely independently of the Mother Country, running their own affairs, including raising militias. Colonial militias were very democratic, the officers were elected by the members of the militia. Local militias were very active in King Phillip's War from 1675 -1678, fully one hundred years before the Revolution. By the time of the Revolution, the only place where the British Government held any sway was in Boston itself, which was occupied by British troops. In the country outside of Boston, sentiments ran strongly against the British and what few Tories there were kept silent for their own safety. The various town militias most certainly were not sponsored by the official (British) government at this time.

Minute Men were the cream of the crop of the militia, less than 30 years old and selected for their political beliefs and enthusiasm. They were the rapid deployment force of the day, ready to turn out rapidly 'at a minute's notice'.

What happened at Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775 was the British sent a force out of Boston to confiscate rebel arms, powder, and supplies that had been stockpiled in Concord. I used to live just down the road from the Barrett Farm, where many of the muskets as well as some purloined cannons were hidden in the fields. The Regulars defeated a small force of militia on the green of Lexington at dawn. Then they marched on to Concord about six miles away. A small scouting party had crossed the bridge over the Concord River and reached the Barrett Farm, but they did not succeed in finding the arms hidden there. The scouting party made their way back to the bridge when they realized that hundreds of Minute Men and militia were forming up to meet them. The shooting started at the bridge and the colonists drove the Regulars all the way back to Boston in a running skirmish that lasted the rest of the day.


As for modern replicas of the muskets used in the Revolution, here are a couple.


http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_186_190&products_id=957

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_186_190&products_id=956
A good movie to watch that tels your basic story is April Morning about 1988.
Tommy Lee Jones.
 
Some educated people here. Much appreciated. I quit shooting flintlocks after my eyes couldn't see the sights anymore. If I could get back in, I'd choose a fowler.
 
Colonial Williamsberg Foundation maintains a well stocked Arsenal on site, supposedly the building in the original arguments.

This is true, what's more, the gunsmith at Colonial Williamsburg still makes several original configurations, in various calibers used in the 1700s, by hand, using original techniques and tools, hand forged barrels, lock parts, stock, the whole deal. I asked him if any were available for sale to the public, he said yes, my order would take about 9 months to deliver, and would be approximately $21K. Well it was too rich for my blood, but I thought it was WAAAAY cool that everything was hand made, with 18th century tooling by hand. If you have a spare $20K laying around, you can get one
 
The Revolutionary-period Kentucky rifles were capable of superb accuracy -- at the expense of reloading speed/simplicity in a battleline situation.

While great for skirmish/sniping, Line-of-Battle linear tactics meant large-caliber (69-75) smoothbore.

If wed to 1700's military arms, get the Pedersoli smoothbore Bess
If 1820s mountain-man designs will suffice, get a Lyman Great Plains rifle flint in 50 caliber. (Easily good for 1½" at 100 yards on the bench)
 
Why you would consider buying a musket when you could buy a flintlock rifle is beyond comprehension.
 
They are acceptable to hunters who are not interested in either historical design accuracy or resale value, only barrel accuracy to kill game.

They are not acceptable to anyone who wishes to have a representative of the 18th century design in his collection.

Beauty, of course, is in the eye of the beholder.

If one is new to muzzleloading, that rifle you mentioned might be the best thing you've seen and worth buying & having for hunting and target shooting.

But when one goes to a large event like a "Marketfair", state shoot, or large rendezvous, where he can see a broad spectrum of firearms, the the initial choice from Cabelas may look like a "fencepost" (or a Yugo).

Choice will be influenced by the activity you pursue.

Buy The Best Firearm You Can afford.

Good luck.
 
This is what I was going to mention, since I visited the town too and saw the armory, as well as this guy. Had a neat rig to rifle the barrel, manual furnace to fabricate the metal, and everything. Good to know there are affordable reproductions out there too though.
 
Just a note. The idea of caliber is relatively recent, probably since the advent of fixed ammunition. When these muzzle loaders were current, the bore was advertised such and such gauge or so many balls to the pound.
 
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