At about double the price though...like was said a properly built ar15 or ar10 will shoot with most any bolt gun anymore
Don't despair, it is asking a helluva lot to get a semi auto to consistently shoot 1/2 moa groups. Not the odd "accident" here and there, but consistently. It can be done, and LBC makes a damn fine rifle, but don't let people fool you into thinking everyone is doing it and it is the new standard. This is the internet, people stretch the truth more often than not.Well, I was going to say that .5" with a semi-auto rifle is asking a lot but it seems that everyone and his brother has one that can do it. What do I know?
This is the internet, people stretch the truth more often than not.
True, and to make matters worse, the OP was talking .5 moa, not moa.Well tuning a semi auto and handloads to shoot sub MOA is one thing. To actually shoot sub MOA is an entirely different thing all together.
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I think this thread needs a heavy dosage of reality check
(1) 3-shot groups are used for a reason. Unless you let your bore cool down significantly, anything more than a 3-shot group with a large rifle is going to start opening up, regardless of rifle. With semi-automatics, there's a tendency to fire multiple shots back to back. If you want your rifle to do its part, you need to do your part.
Truth in accuracy reporting
ONE
Don't make any kind of claim of accuracy on a 3 shot group, You're only 3/5th of the way to a useful indication of potential accuracy with a 3 shot group. Just about any rifle will luck itself into great looking 3 shot groups from time to time. Even the junkiest rifle stands chance of "missing" in the same direction thrice however this likelihood is greatly reduced with a five shot group. which leads me to no2
TWO
Accuracy of your firearm cannot be claimed from ONE lucky group. You must take the good groups and average em in with the bad. In my opinion four 5 shot strings is the MINIMUM to even begin to make any serious claims.
THREE
Understand that every rifle is it's own individual, just because the rem700 you bought shoots 3/4" groups is no garentee that the rifle that was sitting behind it on the rack will do the same.
FOUR
Don't ever use the cliché "All day long" when making an accuracy claim, as soon as most read those words most assume guideline No2 applies
FIVE
I don't care if you use millimeters or inches, decimals or fractions for the love of god drop the measurements based on US currency. International members may not know how large a dime is and even if so depending on caliber a rifle that would shoot into a dime"all day long" would be benchrest grade. When you apply this claim to a 10/22 or an marlin336 people instantly don't believe you
SIX
Learn how to measure groups properly, groups size is determined by the extreme spread minus the bullet diameter. If you don't want to do the math and your groups aren't one ragged hole simply measure distance to the edge of the farthest holes on the same side
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My DPMS 308 SASS.
Since it is available how much do you want for it?
Sorry, but I had to laugh at that. A PSG-1 is much more accurate out of the box (and at about $15-18k it better be), however the PTR-91 (even with the upgraded bbl) will never be a PSG-1, or shoot as good as one, but you can get close for alot less. The PSG-1 has an accuracy guarantee of sub 1MOA and is usually about 0.5MOA. A Nat. Match M1A is about 1MOA summer (summer less, summer not). I am assuming that is what you were referring to.I didn't think a PSG-1 could be made as accurate as a National Match M1A